FORMAL CHALLENGE: NEW BLACKJACK & CRAPS SYSTEM WILL WIN 1K/DAILY FOR MIN 30 SESSIONS
Quote: bigginsIf I take a 13k bankroll and win 30 consecutive short sessions for $1,000 or greater have I beat the house? Seems to me, yes, I have.
You beat the house, but you didn't change the edge. There's a big difference. Beating the house without changing the edge means you're lucky. Beating the house *because* you changed the edge means you're good.
It's often been said that it's better to be lucky than good, but if I had to choose where to put my next dollar, it's on the guy who's good. You can't ever bank on staying lucky.
You say you have a system that wins $1000 every time you play it, with a bankroll of $13,000? No you don't. It might win most of the time, but it won't win all of the time. You still need to be lucky to avoid that $13,000 loss.
But don't take my word for it. Reach into your wallet, grab $13, and head to the $1 blackjack tables. As soon as you have $130, bump your base bet to $10. Keep going. If your system is foolproof, you'll have the $13,000 in a few weeks. But if it's not foolproof, hey, it's just a loss of $13.
Whether it's bad luck, or otherwise, the problem with systems is that shit happens. If you challenged me to roll against your system, I can read a table and come up with what I need to throw to hit whatever is exposed in your system.
Most people want me to demonstrate my shot by my winning money. I actually like the idea of proving your system has to make it through shooters like me who might be able to hit exposure points on your bets whether through dumb bad luck plus the edge, or being able to hit your weak spots on purpose.
If I fail to derail your system with my throwing against your bets plus the house edge on my side, you would have my vote of confidence, and I would consider that a pretty good stress test.
What has Soopoo been talked into?
Quote: odiousgambitSkimming through this, it seems that you need somebody else to put up the 13k. I like guys who put their money where their mouth is, but this seems like putting somebody else's money where their mouth is.
What has Soopoo been talked into?
I will not be risking a dime, that is for sure. I will watch Biggins likely win $1000 at both craps and BJ. I will 'report' back to the forum my overall impressions. My preconceived notion is that it will be something like this..... With a bankroll of 13000, and the small house edge in the games he selected, and his betting patterns, his chance for success was around 91% on each separate attempt.... He succeeded..... If there is some 'light that goes on' in my brain that makes me think this is repeatable, I will report that to the forum, too. My hunch is that he uses 'money management' or 'discipline' to fool himself into thinking he can turn a negative EV game into positive EV. Even if his pattern is not a Martingale, I suspect it will be some sort of chase your losses until you are ahead system.
I have lots of time, and am always fascinated that a well educated man thinks that by altering your bets at a losing game you will become a winner.....
Amazingly street smart guys see this these things in a heartbeat, while formally educated people seem to be the biggest victims.
Even today, race track touts still flourish, boiler rooms operate, people actually believe a Nigerian Prince has left them money, etc.
I have know two friends of my daughter who fell for the money order scam.
W.C. Fields was wrong : " You can't cheat an honest man. " Actually you can quite easily.
Quote: AhighYou want to try your system while I throw the dice? If you really want to test your system, you wouldn't be afraid of me trying to destroy your money on purpose, right?
Whether it's bad luck, or otherwise, the problem with systems is that shit happens. If you challenged me to roll against your system, I can read a table and come up with what I need to throw to hit whatever is exposed in your system.
Most people want me to demonstrate my shot by my winning money. I actually like the idea of proving your system has to make it through shooters like me who might be able to hit exposure points on your bets whether through dumb bad luck plus the edge, or being able to hit your weak spots on purpose.
If I fail to derail your system with my throwing against your bets plus the house edge on my side, you would have my vote of confidence, and I would consider that a pretty good stress test.
This is the best thread ever. You have one guy with a betting system that he claims can overcome the house edge in a -EV game and another guy who wants to prove him wrong using dice control.
In fairness, Ahigh, if you can control the dice (I'm skeptical but open to the possibility that I'm wrong) then it isn't really a fair test. Even if he had a system that gave him an edge in a game with random throws (I know he doesn't, but let's assume he does for the sake of argument) then it doesn't mean that he has an edge in a game with non-random throws stacked against him.
For example, counting cards gives you an edge in blackjack, but if the deck is stacked so the dealer has blackjack every single time you won't win.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThis is the best thread ever. You have one guy with a betting system that he claims can overcome the house edge in a -EV game and another guy who wants to prove him wrong using dice control.
Second best thread ever!!! But I had the EXACT same thought you did!!!! You can't make this stuff up!
Quote: SOOPOOSecond best thread ever!!! But I had the EXACT same thought you did!!!! You can't make this stuff up!
I beg to differ. To the best of my knowledge, only one poster has been suspended on this thread. However, I will concede
it's early yet.
Quote: WizardI could accomplish this myself with a Martingale-based system on the don't pass with odds about 20% to 25% of the time. This table admitedly ignores the house edge, which is 0.28% only with 3-4-5X odds on the don't. Factoring in the very low house edge, I figure the odds of making 1K each day for 30 days, with a 13K bankroll is 20% to 25%.
I'm not going to bother exchanging 200 messages negotiating terms, but no system is going to do better than this, given the same rules.
Day Starting BR (1000s) Pr(session win) Pr(survival) 1 13 92.86% 92.86% 2 14 93.33% 86.67% 3 15 93.75% 81.25% 4 16 94.12% 76.47% 5 17 94.44% 72.22% 6 18 94.74% 68.42% 7 19 95.00% 65.00% 8 20 95.24% 61.90% 9 21 95.45% 59.09% 10 22 95.65% 56.52% 11 23 95.83% 54.17% 12 24 96.00% 52.00% 13 25 96.15% 50.00% 14 26 96.30% 48.15% 15 27 96.43% 46.43% 16 28 96.55% 44.83% 17 29 96.67% 43.33% 18 30 96.77% 41.94% 19 31 96.88% 40.63% 20 32 96.97% 39.39% 21 33 97.06% 38.24% 22 34 97.14% 37.14% 23 35 97.22% 36.11% 24 36 97.30% 35.14% 25 37 97.37% 34.21% 26 38 97.44% 33.33% 27 39 97.50% 32.50% 28 40 97.56% 31.71% 29 41 97.62% 30.95% 30 42 97.67% 30.23%
The probability of success is also easily calculated as 13000/43000 = 30.23%.
Just curious about this, do you take action on each point? If so, using martingale, are you doubling your DC bet, and your odds? That doesn't cover your losses. For example, for 4 and 10, you need to triple your bet to cover the loss.
Quote: SOOPOOI will not be risking a dime, that is for sure. I will watch Biggins likely win $1000 at both craps and BJ. I will 'report' back to the forum my overall impressions. My preconceived notion is that it will be something like this..... With a bankroll of 13000, and the small house edge in the games he selected, and his betting patterns, his chance for success was around 91% on each separate attempt.... He succeeded..... If there is some 'light that goes on' in my brain that makes me think this is repeatable, I will report that to the forum, too. My hunch is that he uses 'money management' or 'discipline' to fool himself into thinking he can turn a negative EV game into positive EV. Even if his pattern is not a Martingale, I suspect it will be some sort of chase your losses until you are ahead system.
I have lots of time, and am always fascinated that a well educated man thinks that by altering your bets at a losing game you will become a winner.....
Bumping this thread to see what happened with this.
Quote: wrxrobBumping this thread to see what happened with this.
WELL
a couple of people should be reporting on "how it went for them" ... so whazzup?
see Biggins' comment on my blog!
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/odiousgambit/blog/#post821
Quote: SOOPOOWow!!! Biggins (as per his declaration) has found people willing to split their BJ or craps winnings with him! He is the smartest guy on the forum. No risk, only gain! Congrats, biggins!
Wow, what a scam.
Quote: bigginsI challenge any bj player to play along with me with a 13k bankroll for 30 sessions. We will win 1k per session minimum.
I would like to have the player post the results of each of the 30 sessions on this forum to prove me right or wrong. Each session will be under 2 hours. I will put up the entire 13K bankroll BUT give the player the opportunity to do the same at a 50/50 split of earnings.
biggins DOES your system WORK on ONLINE Live Dealer Casino blackjack tables ? If yes, I`m with you and we can discuss it further. (I can play at the same table you play and watch you) - If not, then please explain why it does only have to work in a real casino ?
Im not going to get into specifics of a system or pattern, etc. I am simply just going to win. I would like to see you do the same. Im not selling anything nor am I betting anything with you or others on the forum. I would simply welcome the opportunity of minds to synergize while playing the game we apparently both love and have mastered. I have been playing craps frequently for 20 years. I know the people, the game, and most importantly... I know what it takes. 'DIME' Discipline, Intelligence, Management, Energy. The Wizard is welcome to come along.
Quote: thezoneHas anyone taken your proposition yet Biggins? If so, when will the sessions start? I would like to add a twist to this intriguing blog.. I will play on the same table with you. You have your money, Ill have mine. I will show you that I will win 25% of my starting bank roll every 9 out of 10 sessions. My sessions are typically short and sweet. However sometimes they take longer than usual. I would love to see what you have going on.
Im not going to get into specifics of a system or pattern, etc. I am simply just going to win. I would like to see you do the same. Im not selling anything nor am I betting anything with you or others on the forum. I would simply welcome the opportunity of minds to synergize while playing the game we apparently both love and have mastered. I have been playing craps frequently for 20 years. I know the people, the game, and most importantly... I know what it takes. 'DIME' Discipline, Intelligence, Management, Energy. The Wizard is welcome to come along.
So Mr. Zone, lets say your bankroll is $10,000. You win $2,500 nine times then lose $10,000 once. So up $12,500 for every 10 sessions. So my question..... Why not play ten sessions a day, make that $12,500, do that 300 days a year and make the 4 million you say you can? And after a few bankroll doublings you can increase your starting bankroll and make the 4 million look like chump change....
Quote: thezonewho says i dont?
Me...... but seriously, i am always up to meet a 'system' player and watch them win.... are you a Las Vegan?
Any system for craps should be able to handle any throw, let me stress test it for you!!!!
Quote: SOOPOOWow!!! Biggins (as per his declaration) has found people willing to split their BJ or craps winnings with him! He is the smartest guy on the forum. No risk, only gain! Congrats, biggins!
so you are saying his system worked for you
Quote: richwayneso you are saying his system worked for you
SOOPOO is being sarcastic and Biggins hasn't made a sound since he made the system claims.
Quote: rainmanSOOPOO is being sarcastic and Biggins hasn't made a sound since he made the system claims.
I was not being sarcastic. Anyone who can convince someone to pay them for a money management system against a negative EV game is brilliant. Biggins has contacted me again, and hopefully I will see his system in action next time I am in Vegas, in March. If I do I will report back to the forum.
