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August 3rd, 2012 at 7:04:16 PM permalink
Start with $100 at a $15 table. Pick 5 numbers at random, and bet $3 on each of them.

Who knows? Maybe you'll get lucky. If you lose, try it again. You have 6 shots, Take 'em all! Send out good karma waves! Guess strong; sometimes you should play the number that just won, if you have a hunch that it will win again!

If you win once, you'll be up $5. So now you'll have 7 shots at winning again! Go for it!

With a little bit of luck, this system could be a real winner. Really, it could be.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 7:22:37 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

sometimes you should play the number that just won, if you have a hunch that it will win again! .



The odds of a number hitting twice in a row are 1400 to 1,
not usually a good bet. Yet everybody who wins always
leaves the winning chip on that number. And I mean
everybody.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 3rd, 2012 at 7:27:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The odds of a number hitting twice in a row are 1400 to 1,
not usually a good bet. Yet everybody who wins always
leaves the winning chip on that number. And I mean
everybody.



Bob as much as you are on this site you must be trolling with the 1400 to 1 odds.
Be careful when you follow the masses, the M is sometimes silent.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 7:35:06 PM permalink
Quote: kenarman

Bob as much as you are on this site you must be trolling with the 1400 to 1 odds.



The reason I'm on this site so much is the
computer is part of my job. I'm in front of
it every minute I'm home or not in bed.

What the trolling comment means, I have
no idea.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 7:58:44 PM permalink
1444:1 if you call a number then it hits twice in a row - still only 38:1 for a number that's already hit to hit again. He's considering it trolling because this subject is brought up every couple of months or so, I just assumed it was an honest mistake.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 8:19:12 PM permalink
I knew that, I was having a brain fart.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 8:38:42 PM permalink
The odds of any two numbers you choose hitting in the order you choose them are 1400:1.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
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August 3rd, 2012 at 8:45:26 PM permalink
How to beat roulette?
Either with a bat or a crowbar
;-/
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August 3rd, 2012 at 9:17:12 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

Either with a bat or a crowbar



But what are the odds they'll let you walk up to the table with a crowbar or a sledgehammer?
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August 3rd, 2012 at 11:48:44 PM permalink
"No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking." — Albert Einstein
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August 4th, 2012 at 2:24:14 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

But what are the odds they'll let you walk up to the table with a crowbar or a sledgehammer?


Since you asked.
I am entitled under ADA to walk up to the table with my cane which is aluminum and quite sturdy.

Now, about beating the wheel of (mis)fortune...
I like to try to call out numbers. Colors and evens.
I love to play but since I started have only made one of three real bets.
I sit at first position and bet Low, Even, or Red.
House edge avec partage...2.63
High limit euro. Single zero.1.35
When I want to risk a bet I go for
12 or 14 or 16 or 18 straight.
All are red low and even.
Simple game...
Another thing I do is to play five double streets.
Usually at very low limit. Because the inside is for suckers.


there is $2 game with partage at Atlantic Club AC
Fun way to kill a dollar in nineteen or twenty spins

Let's not talk about ballistics and systems.
Spreadsheets are a wonderful thing,
Math from the mustang i find invaluable.
Bottom line
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August 4th, 2012 at 6:50:09 AM permalink
Shouldn't this thread be more appropriately titled, "How to PLAY roulette"?

Lol.
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August 4th, 2012 at 6:53:04 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

1444:1 if you call a number then it hits twice in a row - still only 38:1 for a number that's already hit to hit again. He's considering it trolling because this subject is brought up every couple of months or so, I just assumed it was an honest mistake.

Wouldn't it be more closer to 35:1 or 36:1?
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August 4th, 2012 at 7:01:52 AM permalink
>Send out good karma waves...
okay. is it the little white ball that has a karma wave receptor or is it the wheel that has a karma wave receptor?
>Guess strong...
I'd prefer to guess correctly. Surely that is more profitable.
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August 4th, 2012 at 9:44:51 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

>Send out good karma waves...
okay. is it the little white ball that has a karma wave receptor or is it the wheel that has a karma wave receptor?
>Guess strong...
I'd prefer to guess correctly. Surely that is more profitable.

Love your comments! :)

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

AW = 37:1 or 1 in 38
EW = 36:1 or 1 in 37

The odds of calling back to back numbers before the spins are 1 in 1444 and 1 in 1369 respectively.

So if there are 35 numbers and either a single green "0" or 2 greens, one "0" and the other one a "00" then wouldn't it make it 1 in 36 and 1 in 37, respectively?
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August 4th, 2012 at 10:00:28 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

So if there are 35 numbers and either a single green "0" or 2 greens, one "0" and the other one a "00" then wouldn't it make it 1 in 36 and 1 in 37, respectively?



Basically yes. But the very reason Roulette has 36 numbers is: you can divide the 36 numbers in groups of 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 12, or 18 numbers, giving you a large variety of betting options. For 35 numbers, you would only have groups of 5 or 7 numbers.
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August 4th, 2012 at 10:13:53 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: Wizard

"No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking." — Albert Einstein

Apparently some people here don't believe you or Einstein.



The problem with the quote is that Einstein presumes that the owner of the Roulette table cannot win at the game.
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August 4th, 2012 at 10:19:03 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

Love your comments! :)

So if there are 35 numbers and either a single green "0" or 2 greens, one "0" and the other one a "00" then wouldn't it make it 1 in 36 and 1 in 37, respectively?



There's 36 numbers plus either one or two 0's on a roulette wheel... :)
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August 4th, 2012 at 11:16:54 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

There's 36 numbers plus either one or two 0's on a roulette wheel... :)

Gotcha. For some reason I always thought there were 35. My bad!
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August 4th, 2012 at 12:26:29 PM permalink
If he was referring to winning while playing at a live table, then history certainly proved him wrong.
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August 4th, 2012 at 1:02:55 PM permalink
I think you're right. Assuming that he never played Roulette again (and I have no reason to think that he did), I'd say that Ashley Revell won at the game. I think there was another guy who did the same thing, and also won, but didn't get as much media coverage. (Just looked; his name was Chris Boyd, and he won $220K on one spin at Binion's and then vowed never to play again.) And of course there's Joseph Jagger, who had already cleaned up before Einstein said that.

Then again, Einstein's thoughts on gambling have already been questioned within his own field. Steven Hawking said that (contrary to what Einstein had written earlier), not only does God play dice, but sometimes God throws them where nobody can see the pips.
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August 4th, 2012 at 1:31:54 PM permalink
Back in the 70s and 80s it's estimated that the older wheel designs, just in Europe may have cost the casinos more than 100 million. The game as we know it almost came to an end. The early 90s were not much better. Then of course, there were the exploits of Billy Walters.
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August 4th, 2012 at 1:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: heather

Steven Hawking said that (contrary to what Einstein had written earlier),
not only does God play dice,
but sometimes God throws them where nobody can see the pips.

Even I can do that most times ;)

The rules of dice (craps) states that the roll be will then called a "No Roll". It would not count.
God would be told to roll again and make the dice land so the Stickman can see the pips.

And if God continues to do that, she can no longer roll the dice. Someone else gets the chance.
Rules are rules and no one can break a rule and pay no consequences, even God herself!
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August 4th, 2012 at 1:50:54 PM permalink
Not dice, this discussion is ball and wheel.... but you can apply the same principles! As long as you are lucky at guessing the numbers ahead of time, AND you are wise enough to bet on the numbers that you have luckily chosen, you have an EXCELLENT chance of coming out ahead!
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August 4th, 2012 at 2:17:36 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

As long as you are lucky at guessing the numbers ahead of time,
AND
you are wise enough to bet on the numbers that you have luckily chosen,

you have an EXCELLENT chance of coming out ahead!

I do not see that with the example you gave.
I say EXCELLENT is greater than 99%.

You only win, being lucky, about 58% of the sessions you play with your stated method.
Not at ALL excellent in my book.

But, feel free to show some math of what you say is EXCELLENT
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August 4th, 2012 at 4:45:17 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

I do not see that with the example you gave.
I say EXCELLENT is greater than 99%.

You only win, being lucky, about 58% of the sessions you play with your stated method.
Not at ALL excellent in my book.

But, feel free to show some math of what you say is EXCELLENT



Math? You want MATH when what I wrote is self evident? If you get really lucky, you will WIN!

What, you want more proof? OK. You will win


BIG.


There. That should settle it. Your turn.
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August 7th, 2012 at 11:24:10 AM permalink
Did I miss my turn? damn, and 35 just hit. I would have made a mental bet, but the croupier said
I had already lost my mind.
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August 12th, 2012 at 6:37:37 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Back in the 70s and 80s it's estimated that the older wheel designs, just in Europe may have cost the casinos more than 100 million. The game as we know it almost came to an end. The early 90s were not much better. Then of course, there were the exploits of Billy Walters.



I'm trying to find out how he did it, but only have found small tidbits of info online.


http://www.offshorebettor.com/images/COMPUTER.htm

There has been recent talk that he won more than $3 million in one day of roulette in Atlantic City. Apparently, Walters hired agents to take notes at the roulette tables, in attempt to locate “biases,” or patterns, in the wheels. Sources at Caesars Palace say that after Walters beat them for more than $1 million in one sitting, the wheel was sent to NASA for an examination and dissection that revealed specific biases – but no for the numbers Walters had been playing. Nobody knows his secret, and he isn’t saying, though he admits he has been barred from playing roulette in the major casinos.
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August 17th, 2012 at 8:30:01 AM permalink
I know it's a losing game, as they all are, but it's just fun to play, especially if you like getting paid more than even money on your bets.

The key to enjoying the game is how you bet and set your limits. I usually buy in with enough for 7 bets. On a $5 min that's $35, $10/$70, etc. I split 5-6 17-18 20-21 19-22 and 31-32. They represent the middle 5 numbers on each side of the wheel. This way a dealer doesn't have to favor any one side for you to hit. The American wheel is designed with the table layout in mind so you can cover these groupings. Any two numbers 180 degrees on a wheel can be split on the table. Then you have to stay ahead of the curve which is 2 out of 7 spins. 2 of 7 is break even. Sometimes you lose it and you walk, other times you maintain an even keel, and then there are other times you hit 4 or 5 of 7. Do not stay at any one table more than 3 cycles, 21 spins, even if you've hit 15 of 21, it's roulette, and if you are up, take your money because it wont last. Limit your loss amount to less than you limit your win amount and you'll have fun, not get in trouble and even win sometimes. Don't expect to win and you'll always have a good time.
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August 17th, 2012 at 8:37:50 AM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

I know it's a losing game, as they all are, but it's just fun to play, especially if you like getting paid more than even money on your bets.

The key to enjoying the game is how you bet and set your limits. I usually buy in with enough for 7 bets. On a $5 min that's $35, $10/$70, etc. I split 5-6 17-18 20-21 19-22 and 31-32. They represent the middle 5 numbers on each side of the wheel. This way a dealer doesn't have to favor any one side for you to hit. The American wheel is designed with the table layout in mind so you can cover these groupings. Any two numbers 180 degrees on a wheel can be split on the table. Then you have to stay ahead of the curve which is 2 out of 7 spins. 2 of 7 is break even. Sometimes you lose it and you walk, other times you maintain an even keel, and then there are other times you hit 4 or 5 of 7. Do not stay at any one table more than 3 cycles, 21 spins, even if you've hit 15 of 21, it's roulette, and if you are up, take your money because it wont last. Limit your loss amount to less than you limit your win amount and you'll have fun, not get in trouble and even win sometimes. Don't expect to win and you'll always have a good time.



Nice post.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 17th, 2012 at 9:45:50 AM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

I know it's a losing game, as they all are, but it's just fun to play, especially if you like getting paid more than even money on your bets.



Nicest assessment of our hobby that I've seen in a long time. Incidentally, single-zero wheels with the racetrack on the layout also allow for easy betting on sections of the wheel. Aside from the major sections (Voisins, Orphelins, Tiers) you can bet the neighbors of any number by placing your chips on the numbers around the edge of the racetrack. I think that sections are a fun way to bet, too, and I'm not alone on this board in my confusion regarding why would-be Roulette APs never seem interested in them.
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August 17th, 2012 at 11:51:34 AM permalink
Quote: heather

Single-zero wheels with the racetrack on the layout also allow for easy betting on sections of the wheel. Aside from the major sections (Voisins, Orphelins, Tiers) you can bet the neighbors of any number by placing your chips on the numbers around the edge of the racetrack. I think that sections are a fun way to bet, too, and I'm not alone on this board in my confusion regarding why would-be Roulette APs never seem interested in them.


I'd love a single zero wheel and some of this Neighbors and Racetrack stuff, but the Florida casino boats either don't feature roulette or they feature the standard American roulette wheel of double zero and none of this neighbors stuff. In order to beat roulette I'd have to build up both a bankroll and a travel fund from the craps table. Based on my latest performance... it ain't gonna happen.
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August 17th, 2012 at 2:30:49 PM permalink
Quote: heather

Nicest assessment of our hobby that I've seen in a long time. Incidentally, single-zero wheels with the racetrack on the layout also allow for easy betting on sections of the wheel. Aside from the major sections (Voisins, Orphelins, Tiers) you can bet the neighbors of any number by placing your chips on the numbers around the edge of the racetrack. I think that sections are a fun way to bet, too, and I'm not alone on this board in my confusion regarding why would-be Roulette APs never seem interested in them.


I like betting sections. It allows me to just watch the ball drop into an area to know I hit. You don't find too many ER games in Vegas, and none in AC.
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August 17th, 2012 at 3:32:52 PM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

I like betting sections. It allows me to just watch the ball drop into an area to know I hit. You don't find too many ER games in Vegas, and none in AC.



That's exactly what I love about it! It can be a lot of fun when you have a few hundred dollars (or more) riding on Voisins du Zero and see the ball slowing down on that part of the wheel. Plus you know that you won before the ball even stops, and don't find yourself looking back and forth between the wheel and the layout.

I can think of about half a dozen high limit rooms in LV that have single zero Roulette, but not all of them have the racetrack. You can still make the main call bets if you know where to place the chips, though. (Here's a chart.) I seem to recall someone mentioning that the M Resort has single zero with the racetrack on the main floor, but I've never played there.

Tropicana AC has single-zero in their high limit room; I lost about $700 to it in under half an hour last Winter.
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August 18th, 2012 at 4:17:04 PM permalink
I'm not a high limits player. Mostly 10/15 which is all you get at Ballys AC or Harrahs AC. I'll definitely check out the M when I'm back in a few months, been meaning to my last few visits. The Silverton too. It will be nice when we live out there and won't have to use AC as filler anymore. I'm tired of commuting to Nevada. Just bought a house in the NW off Cheyenne.
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August 18th, 2012 at 4:42:38 PM permalink
All kidding aside, when I play, I toss $3 on 5 different numbers. I'll buy in for $100, if I keep winning I keep playing and if I lose $100, it was fun.
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August 18th, 2012 at 5:17:08 PM permalink
Congratulations on the home purchase.
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August 20th, 2012 at 2:39:13 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Start with $100 at a $15 table. Pick 5 numbers at random, and bet $3 on each of them.

Who knows? Maybe you'll get lucky. If you lose, try it again. You have 6 shots, Take 'em all! Send out good karma waves! Guess strong; sometimes you should play the number that just won, if you have a hunch that it will win again!

If you win once, you'll be up $5. So now you'll have 7 shots at winning again! Go for it!

With a little bit of luck, this system could be a real winner. Really, it could be.



Let us know how you're doing after 3,000,000 spins.
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August 20th, 2012 at 4:45:24 AM permalink
-

You just glance at the wheel for a short moment - then you know if the ball will or will not end up in the high probability area.
Physics is the only solution.
AP - It's not that it can't be done, but rather people don't really have a clue as to the level of fanaticism and outright obsession that it takes to be successful, let alone get to the level where you can take money out of the casinos on a regular basis. Out of 1,000 people that earnestly try, maybe only one will make it.
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August 20th, 2012 at 5:57:39 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Congratulations on the home purchase.



Thanks. We're very excited.
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August 20th, 2012 at 6:03:35 AM permalink
Quote: HotBlonde

Love your comments! :)


Love your bod!

>then wouldn't it make it 1 in 36 and 1 in 37, respectively?
Beats me. I just figure roulette is either fun for you or it is not. Its going to be the most fun for the longest period of time if you play at a wheel with "good" rules. For many, that means the high limit rooms of the casinos but for others it just means shopping around a bit at the better casinos and looking at the wheel rather than the dealer's body when walking up to play the game.

At 5.26 percent its a bit steep but a heck of alot less than any slot machine is likely to be and just about what a Field Bet would be at craps. Find one of those European wheels and you are already at one-half of that, so it seems its a "good" game as far as what the casinos offer.

Now all these salt over left shoulder with right hand techniques for guessing the next number are foolish. Anyone who wins a few times will suddenly notice the croupier is doing his hand-wave at higher and higher wheel speeds. By forcing the betting to end as the wheel is still going rather rapidly, the casino can force these would-be segment bettors to simply bet larger segments of the wheel. Octets are difficult enough, but did you ever try funding half the wheel?
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August 20th, 2012 at 6:45:51 AM permalink
NickyDim

Quote:

I'm not a high limits player. Mostly 10/15 which is all you get at Ballys AC or Harrahs AC. I'll definitely check out the M when I'm back in a few months, been meaning to my last few visits. The Silverton too. It will be nice when we live out there and won't have to use AC as filler anymore. I'm tired of commuting to Nevada. Just bought a house in the NW off Cheyenne.



Single zero roulette:
The Suncoast casino, not far from your home on Cheyenne, has single zero Bally’s Video Roulette machines that pay 36 to 1. However, they do not give players card points. The minimum is 25 cents.

Red Rock Resort (Station casino) also has single zero Bally’s Video Roulette machines, their payout is 32 to 1 for 25 cent bets, but they give player points for play.
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