100xOdds
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July 9th, 2025 at 2:18:40 PM permalink
Uk Money balls:

In Uk, RTP of machine must be stated:


.40/spin
Lost $150 (almost 400x)

No significant line hits.
Only 5 money balls for random # of balls between 6-23 but for not much. Only once did I get a multiplier (x2).
A few mini's and a couple minors, called orange and purple over here.
Never got the free games. In all those spins not one free spins?!?

It played more like a 85% machine than 94%.
(I think 94% is max setting so if that's the avg, then all bet levels are 94%)
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Jul 9, 2025
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100xOdds
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July 9th, 2025 at 2:30:36 PM permalink
Also got lousy results on a 94% Magic Nile:


None of the Green hits got the King or Queen.
Always the lesser symbols.
The red (expanded reels) never got 5 oak.
Blue (x2 multipler) also sucked but I'm going to give a pass because sample size of 1.

88% machines at MGM paid better.

Is this normal or just bad luck getting horrible Rng rolls of the 2 machines I tried?
If normal, then variance of non-persistant machines is HUGE.
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July 9th, 2025 at 3:02:48 PM permalink
I don't know whether this was online or at a land-based casino, but at the latter, the RTP is checked against long term play. Typically the bonus rounds contribute a significant portion of the RTP so, unless you've had a lucky line-win, you need to trigger a bonus round and then have it pay out a reasonable prize to make a profit. I do recall in my local casino there were some with low variances and others with very high variances, and a wide or narrow normal curve symbol told you which type of machine game you had. (I believe some old threads posted PAR sheets for some machines showing some of these details.)
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July 9th, 2025 at 4:09:47 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

\ Typically the bonus rounds contribute a significant portion of the RTP so, unless you've had a lucky line-win, you need to trigger a bonus round and then have it pay out a reasonable prize to make a profit.



I remember looking at PAR sheets for games where the Bonus Round contributed 40% of the total payback.
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July 9th, 2025 at 4:34:20 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

I don't know whether this was online or at a land-based casino, but at the latter, the RTP is checked against long term play.
Typically the bonus rounds contribute a significant portion of the RTP so, unless you've had a lucky line-win, you need to trigger a bonus round and then have it pay out a reasonable prize to make a profit.
I do recall in my local casino there were some with low variances and others with very high variances, and a wide or narrow normal curve symbol told you which type of machine game you had. (I believe some old threads posted PAR sheets for some machines showing some of these details.)
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a Grosvenor casino in London
In my OP, there's no arrow in the rtp screen to indicate variance level
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July 10th, 2025 at 1:01:08 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

...a Grosvenor casino in London
In my OP, there's no arrow in the rtp screen to indicate variance level...

It probably depends on which machine type you're playing, I think the indication was when you could choose which game to play rather than the rules and paybback pages. I can imagine in London, given the limit on stakes, people prefer higher variance and their chances for bigger prizes.
As has been mentioned I can remember something like 50-70% RTP from line wins and the rest via the feature.

btw for those not familiar with the tight UK rules there are regulations that specify the testing and other standards required for class B1 and other types of machines. Also the casino will be checking the actual RTPs closely resemble the theroticals.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/page/gaming-machine-technical-standards
https://assets.ctfassets.net/j16ev64qyf6l/1CjVvBJBstdDpdgbgZY5Ir/69af26fe3d5fb78acb8e5f3f6e094493/Machine-standards-category-A-and-B1.pdf
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