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January 19th, 2018 at 7:15:41 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I still don't know if there is an offshore casino on some sand bar or the gambling is on the boat but only in international waters.

I have never been on that boat. My impression/understanding is that the casino boat is normally anchored in international waters, while the shuttle boat/boats move players between the port and the casino. This reduces/eliminates the lost gaming time experienced when using the casino boat as a shuttle.
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January 23rd, 2018 at 2:17:52 AM permalink
Casino said to be nine miles offshore which I do not think is "international waters' but don't know for sure.

Captain of boat at time of fire had a history of drunk driving offenses but not for several years.

Casino company will make no additional statements about the accident, the boat or its captain,
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January 23rd, 2018 at 2:40:33 AM permalink
November vote in Florida on constitutional amendment re casino gambling,

Both Seminoles and Disney related interests funded the measure . 800,000 signatures got it on the table.

Sixty percent of voters in November must vote yes to pass the amendment.
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January 23rd, 2018 at 5:05:31 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Casino said to be nine miles offshore which I do not think is "international waters' but don't know for sure.



Like most American coastlines, the State of Florida has authority out 3 miles on its Atlantic Ocean seacoast. But, because of strange historic provisions of Spanish law, Florida has authority out 9 miles on its coast along the Gulf of Mexico.
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January 23rd, 2018 at 5:48:27 AM permalink
Just better to stay away from something like this.
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January 23rd, 2018 at 7:21:15 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

Just better to stay away from something like this.

For sure. Yes, two days a week they have an actual craps game at a real table with low minimums, but if its a sloppily run, shoestring operation with insufficient fire suppression equipment its best to just go to the nearby Tampa Seminole joint or save your money for a while and go to Biloxi.

Five dollar minimums are nice, fires are not.
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January 26th, 2018 at 7:46:17 AM permalink
I don't want to beat this to death but I was curious about the ONE death but no one else has serious injuries and only real concern for the others was borderline hypothermia due to cold water immersion.
Hospital was going to transfer victim to a burn center but did not know what if anything in the smoke could have affected the victim so significantly. Prior to any such transfer being made, the victim died.

Hospital had been informed of a boat fire, large quantity of thick black smoke, cold water immersion. Apparently no one had specifically informed the hospital of a bare-footed trek across barnacle encrusted obstacles in order to reach shelter.

Coroner expects several more weeks of testing and will not make interim reports.

Looking more and more like it was an extreme reaction to a barnacle related toxin despite only minor bruising on the feet rather than a reaction to a component of the smoke,

On=edit: It seems it was the toxin that was affecting the throat and her breathing muscles, she had merely complained of her feet hurting but did not say anything about the intensity of the foot pain. This of course is more reasonable an explanation than one person having a fatal reaction to smoke and everyone else having only extremely mild reactions to the smoke and its many components.
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January 30th, 2018 at 2:32:12 AM permalink
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This of course is more reasonable an explanation than one person having a fatal reaction to smoke and everyone else having only extremely mild reactions to the smoke and its many components.

I mean we are all gamblers here and we look to the percentages involved. I forget when it is 50 whether you double or half the number to get it on the basis of 100 but whether it is 2 percent or 0.5 percent, it sure is an extreme result and that is why I was suspicious of one death versus eight people who only shivered in the cold but were fine when they got a blanket and some hot coffee.

50 passengers, 8 taken to hospital for hypothermia not smoke inhalation, no specialists called, no one admitted to the hospital, all 8 released from the ER fairly promptly. Then one of the 50 shows up hours later and winds up kicking the bucket while awaiting an ambulance and some paperwork.

It was JDLR on the math. And it was JDLR on the causation. I've seen firemen that had to be dragged out by two fellow firefighters and dragged to a respirator. Smoke inhalation problems set in right away they don't set in hours later and get worse slowly. Someone in her forties doesn't die from a smoky fire while all those retirees in their sixties live through it.
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February 3rd, 2018 at 4:50:55 AM permalink
Federal judge has stayed all state court actions involving the incident.
Federal judge has ruled that all claims and settlements must be filed by March 23rd.

Total amount the casino company can be held liable for is 23,700. That is the total for all claimants, not each of them, The boat was destined for international waters so the company is allowed to proceed under maritime laws rather than Florida tort laws even though most injuries were received within fifty feet of shore.
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February 13th, 2018 at 3:54:59 AM permalink
Millions riding on gambling in Florida legislative/courts/lobbyists/Tribe/Voters showdown.

Craps and Roulette (as table games, not pseudo-slots) a distinct possibility.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article199619024.html

Tribe insisting on stricter enforcement of slots and cards at racinos that no longer have races, but Tribe wary of casino competition in its existing Miami area monopoly.

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