So a So.Cal Casino is Cheating...

I am convinced a casino near me is cheating at a game called "Mystery Card Roulette".
I'm hoping ya'll can give me some advice as to what to do about it.
Do the spinners/dealers sign non-disclosures about what they are taught as policy? Should i try to get one to confirm my suspicions?

Ideally i'd like to use a lawyer to request video footage in the hope that just the request is enough to get paid off with some hush money.
OR
I'd like a Job spinning the wheel, I don't have a lot of steady work right now and it looks like fun; toying with peoples bankrolls making sure they have fun but eventually lose it all, i'm so sure i could do it ill even take a commission job. Just give me a cut of my wheel when i'm working :). But i have no experience so i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.

Since i don't believe they are using anything other than observation, training and experience to steer away from the big bets Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?

My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...
Thanks.

lol.

OK.. I'll bite.... How are they cheating? Have you tracked play to develop statistics to prove your assertion?

Fake !!

Quote: RocksteadyJ

I am convinced a casino near me is cheating at a game called "Mystery Card Roulette".
I'm hoping ya'll can give me some advice as to what to do about it.
Do the spinners/dealers sign non-disclosures about what they are taught as policy? Should i try to get one to confirm my suspicions?

Ideally i'd like to use a lawyer to request video footage in the hope that just the request is enough to get paid off with some hush money.
OR
I'd like a Job spinning the wheel, I don't have a lot of steady work right now and it looks like fun; toying with peoples bankrolls making sure they have fun but eventually lose it all, i'm so sure i could do it ill even take a commission job. Just give me a cut of my wheel when i'm working :). But i have no experience so i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.

Since i don't believe they are using anything other than observation, training and experience to steer away from the big bets Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?

My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...
Thanks.

Yes, exploit them with superior play iF they won give you a job. You sound lIke you'd be a fab wheel spinner for them.. Tell them you want a job, pronto or you will be exposing all their tricks. Then if that doesn't work, meet with an attorney and explain the whole situation the him/her. Then video record the laughter when you are asked to leave. This should allow you to get a 2nd attorney to sue the first attorney for your mental distress. Finally, post the video for us to see.

Good luck!


ZCore13

ya'll aint the supportive type are you?
LOL
You guys think i'm kidding but i am absolutely serious... mostly
I'm some what joking about needing a job but come one this would be fun to do part time for a couple months.
This seemed like an educated forum so i wanted to know what the law is. Roulette players are always looking for biased wheels to exert an advantage, i think this casino is doing the same thing but in reverse and if caught could have an out and not actually be breaking the law even if it is extremely misleading about the odds of the game.

The wheel is off balance at both tables. You can see it quite easily while it's spinning; not so much after it slows down. So the spinner knows where the position is at all times. The public does not, and remember there is no bouncing ball just a wheel and a stick that slows it down. No markers of any kind the general public has no idea where the wheel is until it stops and the card is pulled out. Most people even think the 2 is after the one and the 3 is after the 2 and so on, they don't even know the cards are placed in a traditional double zero american roulette wheel set-up. Click link for Example

The spinner chooses the direction and speed of the wheel after almost all of the bets have already been placed. They turn their head towards the table and wave their left hand and say no more bets, while in their peripheral vision they are observing the dip and inserting the stick with their right hand dependent upon the position of the off balance "bob" they observe in the wheel. Easy.

I bet they can steer within 3 numbers. With a little practice I bet anyone could.
So are they breaking the law? I don't know. Either way so long as i keep my bet the second biggest on the table and bet the opposite side of the wheel of the big bet... i should be able to rake it in.

What do you guys think? Still think I'm nuts... I think the'd be stupid not to do this... and I do not think they are stupid.

yes, you're nuts. Be sure to have an alias set up when you go into the casino to do this. Do you have another alias by chance?

Quote: RocksteadyJ

Either way so long as i keep my bet the second biggest on the table and bet the opposite side of the wheel of the big bet... i should be able to rake it in.
What do you guys think? Still think I'm nuts... I think the'd be stupid not to do this... and I do not think they are stupid.

Take it one step further. If they're not stupid, they would have already figured out that steering would be exploitable by players as you suggest, so they wouldn't do it.

Quote: rsactuary

yes, you're nuts. Be sure to have an alias set up when you go into the casino to do this. Do you have another alias by chance?

I agree this person is probably nuts, the only other option is that they are trolling hard!

This is pretty much a joke. How about this: wait until the dealer shoots the ball (away from whatever "big" bet is on the table) then bet the opposite side of the wheel sections.

Even better, play by yourself... Put large bets on half the wheel sections, then after he shoots the ball move them all quickly to the other half of the wheel sections.

If you're convinced they're cheating you need numbers to back up your claims. You need to go record TENS OF THOUSANDS of spins to prove even the slightest deviation from correct statistics about the game. Right now you have literally nothing and couldn't sue them or even black mail them. Your plan is to black mail them in to giving you a job? LOL... Yeah, let us know how that works out.

Your best play, assuming your rambling messages are real, is to take advantage of them by playing opposite the big action AFTER the dealers have shot the ball.

Its not as easy as you think to spread a bet to 4 sections and cover the two numbers on either side, im still gonna have to get a little lucky, and was looking for some help, but mostly this was a waste of my time, some replies are still talking about a ball... there is no ball lol, but whatever im done.

It's pins and a flapper, but the premise is the same. If you think the wheel is that easily exploitable, go exploit it and tell everyone how much you won. If I were a casino operator, I'd know that a biased wheel could be exploited and would instruct my dealers to deal a fair game that isn't.

getting back to the OP

Quote: RocksteadyJ

i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.

I confirm that my opinion, and I suspect the opinion of all here, is that you are correct.

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Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?

Yes. Not an opinion.

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My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...

It seems obvious to me that you should place smaller but still substantial bets on sections away from the big bets, if that makes sense for a card system for roulette, which I can't picture actually. The player edge should be substantial. You would not be cheating!

So don't say no one helped.

Thanks Gambit.
Cool handle too i play chess.
I'm feeling like a complete forum newb i cant get a link or image to work maybe because im not a trusted poster yet?

anyway just google mystery card roulette images and you'll see the wheel

Do you have any tips to remember or visualize the layout in my mind so i can quickly know where to put my bets? Its kind of like playing blindfold chess but should be easier.

I know there is the orphans, friends of zero, and the tiers and what not but on the betting table its hard to know what numbers are next to one another on the wheel. Is there some correlation that is easy to remember?

Thanks for being helpful.

This cannot be real

Quote: Wizardofnothing

This cannot be real

I do exist and i am serious about what i believe they are doing, convinced of it even.

But when you say you want to black mail them for a job you lose al credibility

I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect... c'mon

If i really wanted to pursue it id just call the table games manager and tell him i think that with a little practice i can make his wheel land on one of eight different sections, and if i could would he consider giving me a shot.

I used to race motocross so my ability to eyeball speed distance and timing is pretty good (not that it would even need to be) and i feel confident i could learn to read the bets on a roulette table like a position on a chessboard and know within a couple seconds where i'd want to steer away from.

It'd be fun!

With a greater than 5% edge on every wager, the house has very little incentive to gaff the wheel. It's a volume business that does very well with a fair game. Look at the casino in Monaco if you think otherwise.

Dealers have no reason to keep quiet if the game requires them to spin for sectors. There are too many individuals involved to keep a crooked game quiet. Dealers left out of the profits, either by not getting a large chunk of the winnings, or not allowed to work at the table, would talk for sure. I would be shocked if there was actually a conspiracy as you describe to guarantee big losers.

If I'm understanding OP correctly.....

Dealers at this property are trained to aim for sections/sectors where there is little money wagered.

I think this would be very difficult for a dealer to do. Even more difficult to orchestrate it so all the dealers can do it......all while none of the dealers ever going "public" about it. I wonder how many of the dealers have their friends playing, so the dealer can try to land the wheel / clicker on where his friend is betting money. His friend makes a bunch of money, and they split the profits.

Quote: RocksteadyJ

I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect... c'mon

If i really wanted to pursue it id just call the table games manager and tell him i think that with a little practice i can make his wheel land on one of eight different sections, and if i could would he consider giving me a shot.

I used to race motocross so my ability to eyeball speed distance and timing is pretty good (not that it would even need to be) and i feel confident i could learn to read the bets on a roulette table like a position on a chessboard and know within a couple seconds where i'd want to steer away from.

It'd be fun!

Im not going to call you nuts or make any negative comments for now. I'll take you serious for now if you want to be serious. I actually think you think they are cheating.

I'll say it again, for the low price of under $50 anyone can get a good small hidden camera. It can be anything from a button on your shirt , Wrist watch, pen etc etc. They have no wires or anything, they are very easy to use and not cumbersome at all. You will forget that you even have it. They are are almost undetectable by the casino.

So if you seriously believe they are cheating
Get one and then video record what's going on. There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR YOU NOT TO DO THIS. So....If you really want to be taken serious send me a PM I'll link you to a website of where to get one. Use it and get some video. If there's ANY excuses why you can't or won't do this. Then it will be fairly obviously you are making stuff up and just trolling to create drama.

Send me at least 3 hours of good Video and I'll cover the cost of the pen.

Don't post the video publicly. There's plenty of guys on the forum that can look at the video privately and come up with a good strategy to beat thr game silly.

Assuming it's not just your imagination and If it turns out to be true then you will have no problem finding partners and earning some money. I'm sure someone would bank the the play. You have nothing to lose.

You can talk about it or be proactive and do something about it.
Ball is in your court.

Just a gentle warning, guys; the precedent has been set that someone can call themselves something (ie "nuts") but that does not give you license to do the same thing. Continue the conversation, please, but no more agreement with insults. Thanks!

Quote: beachbumbabs

Just a gentle warning, guys; the precedent has been set that someone can call themselves something (ie "nuts") but that does not give you license to do the same thing. Continue the conversation, please, but no more agreement with insults. Thanks!

I'm thinking it's all BS anyways.

Quote: RocksteadyJ

I do exist and i am serious about what i believe they are doing, convinced of it even.

What is your evidence?

If what you say is true, it would be far more beneficial for the dealer to collude with a player.