So a So.Cal Casino is Cheating...
March 22nd, 2016 at 7:51:09 PM
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I am convinced a casino near me is cheating at a game called "Mystery Card Roulette".
I'm hoping ya'll can give me some advice as to what to do about it.
Do the spinners/dealers sign non-disclosures about what they are taught as policy? Should i try to get one to confirm my suspicions?
Ideally i'd like to use a lawyer to request video footage in the hope that just the request is enough to get paid off with some hush money.
OR
I'd like a Job spinning the wheel, I don't have a lot of steady work right now and it looks like fun; toying with peoples bankrolls making sure they have fun but eventually lose it all, i'm so sure i could do it ill even take a commission job. Just give me a cut of my wheel when i'm working :). But i have no experience so i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.
Since i don't believe they are using anything other than observation, training and experience to steer away from the big bets Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?
My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...
Thanks.
I'm hoping ya'll can give me some advice as to what to do about it.
Do the spinners/dealers sign non-disclosures about what they are taught as policy? Should i try to get one to confirm my suspicions?
Ideally i'd like to use a lawyer to request video footage in the hope that just the request is enough to get paid off with some hush money.
OR
I'd like a Job spinning the wheel, I don't have a lot of steady work right now and it looks like fun; toying with peoples bankrolls making sure they have fun but eventually lose it all, i'm so sure i could do it ill even take a commission job. Just give me a cut of my wheel when i'm working :). But i have no experience so i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.
Since i don't believe they are using anything other than observation, training and experience to steer away from the big bets Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?
My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...
Thanks.
March 22nd, 2016 at 8:47:15 PM
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lol.
OK.. I'll bite.... How are they cheating? Have you tracked play to develop statistics to prove your assertion?
OK.. I'll bite.... How are they cheating? Have you tracked play to develop statistics to prove your assertion?
March 22nd, 2016 at 9:04:27 PM
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Fake !!
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
March 22nd, 2016 at 9:09:07 PM
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Quote: RocksteadyJI am convinced a casino near me is cheating at a game called "Mystery Card Roulette".
I'm hoping ya'll can give me some advice as to what to do about it.
Do the spinners/dealers sign non-disclosures about what they are taught as policy? Should i try to get one to confirm my suspicions?
Ideally i'd like to use a lawyer to request video footage in the hope that just the request is enough to get paid off with some hush money.
OR
I'd like a Job spinning the wheel, I don't have a lot of steady work right now and it looks like fun; toying with peoples bankrolls making sure they have fun but eventually lose it all, i'm so sure i could do it ill even take a commission job. Just give me a cut of my wheel when i'm working :). But i have no experience so i'm sure it'd be hard to blackmail my way into a part-time gig.
Since i don't believe they are using anything other than observation, training and experience to steer away from the big bets Is there really a hard and fast law that says what their doing is illegal?
My first reaction is to exploit them with superior play, i could use your guys' help with that too...
Thanks.
Yes, exploit them with superior play iF they won give you a job. You sound lIke you'd be a fab wheel spinner for them.. Tell them you want a job, pronto or you will be exposing all their tricks. Then if that doesn't work, meet with an attorney and explain the whole situation the him/her. Then video record the laughter when you are asked to leave. This should allow you to get a 2nd attorney to sue the first attorney for your mental distress. Finally, post the video for us to see.
Good luck!
ZCore13
Last edited by: Zcore13 on Mar 23, 2016
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
March 23rd, 2016 at 3:13:37 AM
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ya'll aint the supportive type are you?
LOL
You guys think i'm kidding but i am absolutely serious... mostly
I'm some what joking about needing a job but come one this would be fun to do part time for a couple months.
This seemed like an educated forum so i wanted to know what the law is. Roulette players are always looking for biased wheels to exert an advantage, i think this casino is doing the same thing but in reverse and if caught could have an out and not actually be breaking the law even if it is extremely misleading about the odds of the game.
The wheel is off balance at both tables. You can see it quite easily while it's spinning; not so much after it slows down. So the spinner knows where the position is at all times. The public does not, and remember there is no bouncing ball just a wheel and a stick that slows it down. No markers of any kind the general public has no idea where the wheel is until it stops and the card is pulled out. Most people even think the 2 is after the one and the 3 is after the 2 and so on, they don't even know the cards are placed in a traditional double zero american roulette wheel set-up. Click link for Example
The spinner chooses the direction and speed of the wheel after almost all of the bets have already been placed. They turn their head towards the table and wave their left hand and say no more bets, while in their peripheral vision they are observing the dip and inserting the stick with their right hand dependent upon the position of the off balance "bob" they observe in the wheel. Easy.
I bet they can steer within 3 numbers. With a little practice I bet anyone could.
So are they breaking the law? I don't know. Either way so long as i keep my bet the second biggest on the table and bet the opposite side of the wheel of the big bet... i should be able to rake it in.
What do you guys think? Still think I'm nuts... I think the'd be stupid not to do this... and I do not think they are stupid.
LOL
You guys think i'm kidding but i am absolutely serious... mostly
I'm some what joking about needing a job but come one this would be fun to do part time for a couple months.
This seemed like an educated forum so i wanted to know what the law is. Roulette players are always looking for biased wheels to exert an advantage, i think this casino is doing the same thing but in reverse and if caught could have an out and not actually be breaking the law even if it is extremely misleading about the odds of the game.
The wheel is off balance at both tables. You can see it quite easily while it's spinning; not so much after it slows down. So the spinner knows where the position is at all times. The public does not, and remember there is no bouncing ball just a wheel and a stick that slows it down. No markers of any kind the general public has no idea where the wheel is until it stops and the card is pulled out. Most people even think the 2 is after the one and the 3 is after the 2 and so on, they don't even know the cards are placed in a traditional double zero american roulette wheel set-up. Click link for Example
The spinner chooses the direction and speed of the wheel after almost all of the bets have already been placed. They turn their head towards the table and wave their left hand and say no more bets, while in their peripheral vision they are observing the dip and inserting the stick with their right hand dependent upon the position of the off balance "bob" they observe in the wheel. Easy.
I bet they can steer within 3 numbers. With a little practice I bet anyone could.
So are they breaking the law? I don't know. Either way so long as i keep my bet the second biggest on the table and bet the opposite side of the wheel of the big bet... i should be able to rake it in.
What do you guys think? Still think I'm nuts... I think the'd be stupid not to do this... and I do not think they are stupid.
March 23rd, 2016 at 6:42:42 AM
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yes, you're nuts. Be sure to have an alias set up when you go into the casino to do this. Do you have another alias by chance?
March 23rd, 2016 at 8:12:53 AM
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Take it one step further. If they're not stupid, they would have already figured out that steering would be exploitable by players as you suggest, so they wouldn't do it.Quote: RocksteadyJEither way so long as i keep my bet the second biggest on the table and bet the opposite side of the wheel of the big bet... i should be able to rake it in.
What do you guys think? Still think I'm nuts... I think the'd be stupid not to do this... and I do not think they are stupid.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 23rd, 2016 at 8:39:06 AM
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Quote: rsactuaryyes, you're nuts. Be sure to have an alias set up when you go into the casino to do this. Do you have another alias by chance?
I agree this person is probably nuts, the only other option is that they are trolling hard!
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
March 23rd, 2016 at 9:54:03 AM
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This is pretty much a joke. How about this: wait until the dealer shoots the ball (away from whatever "big" bet is on the table) then bet the opposite side of the wheel sections.
Even better, play by yourself... Put large bets on half the wheel sections, then after he shoots the ball move them all quickly to the other half of the wheel sections.
If you're convinced they're cheating you need numbers to back up your claims. You need to go record TENS OF THOUSANDS of spins to prove even the slightest deviation from correct statistics about the game. Right now you have literally nothing and couldn't sue them or even black mail them. Your plan is to black mail them in to giving you a job? LOL... Yeah, let us know how that works out.
Your best play, assuming your rambling messages are real, is to take advantage of them by playing opposite the big action AFTER the dealers have shot the ball.
Even better, play by yourself... Put large bets on half the wheel sections, then after he shoots the ball move them all quickly to the other half of the wheel sections.
If you're convinced they're cheating you need numbers to back up your claims. You need to go record TENS OF THOUSANDS of spins to prove even the slightest deviation from correct statistics about the game. Right now you have literally nothing and couldn't sue them or even black mail them. Your plan is to black mail them in to giving you a job? LOL... Yeah, let us know how that works out.
Your best play, assuming your rambling messages are real, is to take advantage of them by playing opposite the big action AFTER the dealers have shot the ball.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:07:00 AM
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Its not as easy as you think to spread a bet to 4 sections and cover the two numbers on either side, im still gonna have to get a little lucky, and was looking for some help, but mostly this was a waste of my time, some replies are still talking about a ball... there is no ball lol, but whatever im done.
