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May 17th, 2017 at 12:06:12 PM permalink
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May 17th, 2017 at 12:14:21 PM permalink
Ross has a problem with rap concerts at PMC.

Here's a similar thread he started in July 2015:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/atlantic-city/22764-alert-rap-concert-at-pnc-bank-arts-center-on-friday/

Interestingly, the first response in both threads are identical, and from the same author.
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May 17th, 2017 at 12:35:14 PM permalink
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May 17th, 2017 at 1:18:13 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

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Interestingly, the first response in both threads are identical, and from the same author.



It's been 666 days between the OP's two warnings, which is an interesting number.
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May 17th, 2017 at 1:40:49 PM permalink
I thought 555
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May 17th, 2017 at 3:02:52 PM permalink
Not all idiots are bigots, but it certainly seems like all bigots are idiots.
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May 17th, 2017 at 3:15:39 PM permalink
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wells-fargo-philadelphia-20170516-story.html

Who is the racist here?

The city of Philadelphia or Welks Fargo?
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May 17th, 2017 at 5:06:26 PM permalink
And an even bigger warning, Kings of Leon are playing there this Saturday, and their music is just the worst.
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May 17th, 2017 at 6:46:48 PM permalink
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Also avoid stopping at the Cheesequake Service area as a lot of the "people" going to the concerts stop there before and after the show.



Why is people in quotes?
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May 17th, 2017 at 8:21:44 PM permalink
I'm sure there are some who appreciate the OP's "warning," but if I still lived in NJ I'd tell him to blow it out his ...

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May 17th, 2017 at 9:14:43 PM permalink
I think one "person" is approximately 3/5 of a person.
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May 17th, 2017 at 9:37:07 PM permalink
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I'm sure there are some who appreciate the OP's "warning,"



Well, if you know any classic Archie Bunker types, you could tell them it's the BEST time to visit AC.
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May 17th, 2017 at 9:39:16 PM permalink
I love the PNC. Great place to see a show. Much less uptight than Jones Beach, which generally gets the same acts a day or two before or after.
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May 18th, 2017 at 4:45:39 AM permalink
I prefer BB&T. The downside of PNC is that there is no pit😀
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May 18th, 2017 at 1:34:24 PM permalink
I would appreciate the warning, but I avoid all of North Jersey all the time to avoid the rap areas lol. But, it is a valid concern, many concerts lead to rowdiness, but large rap concerts have historically been linked to shooting and gang conflicts, its just a reality.
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May 18th, 2017 at 2:05:17 PM permalink
Where is BB&T? Is that the one in Camden? Home to so many of "those people"? That place changes names even more often than the arena at Jones Beach.
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May 18th, 2017 at 2:21:09 PM permalink
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May 18th, 2017 at 6:01:00 PM permalink
Looks like many of the tickets for this are either $113 or $281 each, with a minimum purchase of two, plus tax & fees, depending on how close ya wanna get to the latest version of "bad boys" manufactured by the entertainment industry. So, I'm picturing several thousand spoiled suburban kids who went out to the mall and got their gangsta on at the Gap with daddy's AMEX card in order to feel appropriately dangerous at the New Jersey stop on the "Nobody Safe Tour" (*snicker*snort*giggle*).

Ho-hum. Seen that, done there. Decades ago, a time or two or ten, mostly sometime in the last century. Has always been the easiest kind of opportunity in the world for even the most doufus loser type horny guy to score a little sumpin-sumpin. Foolproof instructions: Don't shower, don't shave, throw on the most stanky duds that have been marinating in the bottom of the clothes hamper, go up to a gaggle of the bored suburban snots at something like this and speak to them as crudely as possible, like you've been raised by wolves, and you'll already be on third base. Some things truly never change:

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May 18th, 2017 at 7:57:36 PM permalink
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Looks like many of the tickets for this are either $113 or $281 each, with a minimum purchase of two, plus tax & fees, depending on how close ya wanna get to the latest version of "bad boys" manufactured by the entertainment industry. So, I'm picturing several thousand spoiled suburban kids who went out to the mall and got their gangsta on at the Gap with daddy's AMEX card in order to feel appropriately dangerous at the New Jersey stop on the "Nobody Safe Tour" (*snicker*snort*giggle*).

Ho-hum. Seen that, done there. Decades ago, a time or two or ten, mostly sometime in the last century. Has always been the easiest kind of opportunity in the world for even the most doufus loser type horny guy to score a little sumpin-sumpin. Foolproof instructions: Don't shower, don't shave, throw on the most stanky duds that have been marinating in the bottom of the clothes hamper, go up to a gaggle of the bored suburban snots at something like this and speak to them as crudely as possible, like you've been raised by wolves, and you'll already be on third base. Some things truly never change:





I'm sure a lot of people in the past have had the same mentality. However as referenced by the articles linked rap concerts tend to be violent. Even in the areas around the arenas tend to be the worst. I worked in the DA's office in LA, and 95% of the cases I handled regarding rap concerts happened after the show in the immediate area of the venue. (i.e. roads leading to the venue and bus stops next to the venue)
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May 18th, 2017 at 9:52:25 PM permalink
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rap concerts tend to be violent. Even in the areas around the arenas tend to be the worst. I worked in the DA's office in LA, and 95% of the cases I handled regarding rap concerts happened after the show in the immediate area of the venue. (i.e. roads leading to the venue and bus stops next to the venue)



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Quote: Gandler

I would appreciate the warning, but I avoid all of North Jersey all the time to avoid the rap areas lol. But, it is a valid concern, many concerts lead to rowdiness, but large rap concerts have historically been linked to shooting and gang conflicts, its just a reality.



It's also reality that anybody considering this a valid concern when a nearby rap concert is about one ten millionth as dangerous to casino patrons as the act of driving to the casino, is a in the grips of hysterical, racist fear.

It would be far more rational to warn of a light drizzle or a single pothole.

Probably also spends a lot of time cowering over terrorism. A nice way to go through life.
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May 19th, 2017 at 7:38:44 AM permalink
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It's also reality that anybody considering this a valid concern when a nearby rap concert is about one ten millionth as dangerous to casino patrons as the act of driving to the casino, is a in the grips of hysterical, racist fear.

Assuming a 125 mile (NYC to AC) drive to the casino, the odds of dying in a traffic accident are about 1 in 1 million in New Jersey. (Source. You have to drill down to find the 2015 NJ statistics of Fatalities per 100 Million Vehicle Miles, which is 0.75)

I could not find any "Rap Concert" fatality data, but let's make the assumption that in a given year, one person is killed from violence after a concert. I think that would be an accurate, if not conservative estimate. Now, let's assume 100 rap concerts in a year in NJ with an average attendance of 10,000 people. Using these assumptions, there would be a 1 in 1 million chance of dying due to concert related violence.

So, using what I consider to be conservative estimates, it seems that the two are about equally likely.
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May 19th, 2017 at 8:48:36 AM permalink
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Assuming a 125 mile (NYC to AC) drive to the casino, the odds of dying in a traffic accident are about 1 in 1 million in New Jersey. (Source. You have to drill down to find the 2015 NJ statistics of Fatalities per 100 Million Vehicle Miles, which is 0.75)

I could not find any "Rap Concert" fatality data, but let's make the assumption that in a given year, one person is killed from violence after a concert. I think that would be an accurate, if not conservative estimate. Now, let's assume 100 rap concerts in a year in NJ with an average attendance of 10,000 people. Using these assumptions, there would be a 1 in 1 million chance of dying due to concert related violence.

So, using what I consider to be conservative estimates, it seems that the two are about equally likely.



Sure. But what if I happen to be driving near the "people" who attended the concert? I've done that twice and in 95% of those two times I'm pretty sure I almost died.
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:07:40 AM permalink
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Sure. But what if I happen to be driving near the "people" who attended the concert? I've done that twice and in 95% of those two times I'm pretty sure I almost died.

Sounds about right. Whew, you were very lucky -- that's only a 0.25% chance of surviving both times! ;)

I've never been to AC, but I think my biggest concern for this or any event in the area is that it would drive more traffic to the casinos, making the table minimums higher, spots at tables harder to get, etc.

I wonder what the mortality rate for playing beyond one's bankroll is. Probably about the same as the other two scenarios.
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:09:17 AM permalink
Shoot.
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:13:51 AM permalink
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:52:59 AM permalink
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Sounds about right. Whew, you were very lucky -- that's only a 0.25% chance of surviving both times! ;)

I've never been to AC, but I think my biggest concern for this or any event in the area is that it would drive more traffic to the casinos, making the table minimums higher, spots at tables harder to get, etc.

I wonder what the mortality rate for playing beyond one's bankroll is. Probably about the same as the other two scenarios.



Yeah, table minimums go up, room rates go up, wait-times at restaurants and for drink service go up.

Study duration would matter, but I think people who play beyond their means probably kill themselves more than 1:1MM times. So busting the bankroll is probably the most dangerous of these things.
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May 19th, 2017 at 10:48:09 AM permalink
Speeders Paradox
The more time you spend on an interstate, the more likely you are to be involved in an accident.
The faster you go, the less time you will spend on the interstate, but the faster you travel, the more likely it is you will be involved in an accident. Therefore, the car driving slower will avoid accidents caused by speeding yet is exposed to more potential accidents by being on the interstate longer.
Throw a rap concert into the equation and all hell breaks loose.
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May 19th, 2017 at 11:24:43 AM permalink
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... I've done that twice and in 95% of those two times ...

This must be a new type of Algebra. Are there any math experts here that can explain that?
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May 19th, 2017 at 5:38:54 PM permalink
Quote: Joeman

Assuming a 125 mile (NYC to AC) drive to the casino, the odds of dying in a traffic accident are about 1 in 1 million in New Jersey. (Source. You have to drill down to find the 2015 NJ statistics of Fatalities per 100 Million Vehicle Miles, which is 0.75)

I could not find any "Rap Concert" fatality data, but let's make the assumption that in a given year, one person is killed from violence after a concert. I think that would be an accurate, if not conservative estimate. Now, let's assume 100 rap concerts in a year in NJ with an average attendance of 10,000 people. Using these assumptions, there would be a 1 in 1 million chance of dying due to concert related violence.

So, using what I consider to be conservative estimates, it seems that the two are about equally likely.




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May 19th, 2017 at 6:13:23 PM permalink
The Insane clown posse I'd definitely be afraid of.
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May 19th, 2017 at 6:21:05 PM permalink
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Looks like many of the tickets for this are either $113 or $281 each, with a minimum purchase of two, plus tax & fees, depending on how close ya wanna get to the latest version of "bad boys" manufactured by the entertainment industry. So, I'm picturing several thousand spoiled suburban kids who went out to the mall and got their gangsta on at the Gap with daddy's AMEX card in order to feel appropriately dangerous at the New Jersey stop on the "Nobody Safe Tour" (*snicker*snort*giggle*).

Ho-hum. Seen that, done there. Decades ago, a time or two or ten, mostly sometime in the last century. Has always been the easiest kind of opportunity in the world for even the most doufus loser type horny guy to score a little sumpin-sumpin. Foolproof instructions: Don't shower, don't shave, throw on the most stanky duds that have been marinating in the bottom of the clothes hamper, go up to a gaggle of the bored suburban snots at something like this and speak to them as crudely as possible, like you've been raised by wolves, and you'll already be on third base. Some things truly never change:

She was kinda cute, but from the looks of it, she turned out to be a grumpy lesbian.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 27th, 2017 at 5:58:05 PM permalink
Pretty bad when the original "Sin City" Las Vegas wanted to ban rap concerts. Steve Wynn and others were on board with this.....
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May 27th, 2017 at 7:19:27 PM permalink
Did the riots and looting from the rap concert cause much property damage?
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May 27th, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM permalink
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Did the riots and looting from the rap concert cause much property damage?

No because they found big strong men to protect them headed to AC.
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May 27th, 2017 at 9:06:33 PM permalink
I remember that Jay Z after party at the Trump Plaza years back. The police had to come in with the dogs to keep things under control.

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