Atlantic City Open Forum
I really think they do communicate at least when mutually beneficial. I did witness a memo inside the Golden Nugget about copying player cards and making sure to record expiration dates. There wouldn't be a reason to do this if they don't communicate.Quote: GWAEAccording to Mario they communicate, but we know that is false.
Your offers probably dried up if you had no action for 6 months.
I'm wondering if the OP has looked online at all. You would think Total Rewards would have something. Just remembered an email from them about an up to 40% off sale they have right now. Look on Facebook and Twitter at the casino sites for deals OP.
Casinos don't consider young people with kids a good demographic last I heard. They want 55+ with early onset dementia.Quote: GWAEI have said all along that they also need to add a water park or even an indoor water park.
something like
http://www.greatwolf.com/
I don't know if there is much like this in the area but I do know that the 2 locations that I have been to get a ton of people. It would be another reason for a family to come to AC in the winter.
Quote: onenickelmiracle
I'm wondering if the OP has looked online at all. You would think Total Rewards would have something. Just remembered an email from them about an up to 40% off sale they have right now. Look on Facebook and Twitter at the casino sites for deals OP.
Yep, I always could log onto TR and have comp rooms Sun-Thursday.
Now, nothing.
I see deals, but I feel like considering that I am going to gamble a decent amount, I shouldn't be paying for rooms, even at a low cost.
Quote: XenofeiYep, I always could log onto TR and have comp rooms Sun-Thursday.
Now, nothing.
I see deals, but I feel like considering that I am going to gamble a decent amount, I shouldn't be paying for rooms, even at a low cost.
If you are going to be playing can't you just get them comped when you leave?
Maybe you shouldn't but they don't seem to agree. This never made sense to me either but it's one of those things and how the industry does business. Your only hope is to contact a host for an offer, or ask for charges to be removed after your visit(probably won't), or visit for a shorter stay hoping for offers to start coming again, then coming later for a longer stay. Yes the market has changed and nobody really knows if they're now dispensable. Another option, staying outside Atlantic City and commuting by car, cab or bus depending on availability.Quote: XenofeiYep, I always could log onto TR and have comp rooms Sun-Thursday.
Now, nothing.
I see deals, but I feel like considering that I am going to gamble a decent amount, I shouldn't be paying for rooms, even at a low cost.
Quote: XenofeiHi guys,
As we know, Revel is gone. I get to AC about 6 times a year. About a year ago, I used to casino hop, wasn't really loyal to any one place. Just about any time I went, I could get free rooms Sun-Thursday, at either Trop, Taj, Showboat, Harrahs or Revel. This past Feb, I stayed at Borgata a few nights comped, and the 3 trips after that I stayed at Revel, getting upgraded to their Gold Card. I usually play $25/hand BJ, some slots, my bank roll is usually 500-700 bucks. My last trip to Revel was Friday July 4th/Sat 5th(both nights comped, I was shocked!).
I find myself in a weird spot, not so much that Revel is gone, but as I look at all the other places I usually have crazy comps for, I literally have nothing, save for one night at Borgata.
So, two questions? Do the casinos communicate? Since I was at Revel the last 3 times, did the others pull offers?
And more importantly, I am planning on going down in a few weeks...I guess I'm going to have to pay for some rooms? (Wed/Thurs). Any recommendations how I can maybe establish myself elsewhere rather quickly? I see that GN and a few others are matching tiers but, I'm not sure what my best move is? I haven't paid for a room in like 5+ years!
This is my opinion, not knowledge. However, AC just lost 30% or so of available casino rooms in the space of 2 weeks (counting Trump as well), and they had about 2 months warning on when it would happen. That would coincide smartly with the timing of offers disappearing, and even though it's post-Labor day, there has got to be an uptick of demand on those rooms. Other casinos on the edge may also be booking conservatively in case they're forced out (see various AC frequenters' speculation about Taj, Bally, Caesar, Golden Nugget going down as well), or plans for closures they haven't yet announced but are imminent. At a minimum, I would guess the required level of play for rooms will go up.
I have had great success in the past with booking a room through the casino hotel's website (when they don't know me there), then asking to be evaluated on your play for the room to be comped when you check out. If you want to try doing this, do NOT book through anybody, like hotels.com or expedia; those rooms can't be comped because of the third party involved. Call the hotel reservations if you don't see what you want online. Make sure everything you do is rated, and all your meals and things are charged to the room.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g29750-i78-k7782166-Bye_Bye_Taj-Atlantic_City_New_Jersey.html
Does this mean the sky is falling in AC?
Oh the humanity!
Dominoes or house of cards-take your pick. Never can tell when hedge funds are involved what really happens. They lack quite a bit of any good qualities.Quote: 7star4nowAC "destination expert" "easydave" is now taking the time to report AC casino closings, in between, his time spent , deleting posts re AC casino closings.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g29750-i78-k7782166-Bye_Bye_Taj-Atlantic_City_New_Jersey.html
Does this mean the sky is falling in AC?
Oh the humanity!
Quote: onenickelmiracleOne of Atlantic City's biggest complaints is about the airport and he seems to think it's world class.
I've complained about this many, many times in this thread, but it's just down right stupid that I can't catch a flight from the DC area. Although some may argue that a four hour drive is short, it makes weekend trips just not worth it most of the time unless I can take Friday off.
"At the center of Mr. Tanner's narrative is Gary Loveman, a former Harvard Business School professor. In the late 1990s, Mr. Loveman took on a part-time consulting gig training employees of what was then Harrah's Corp. in customer satisfaction. Shocked by the company's lack of sophistication, he suggested to Phil Satre, then the company's chief executive, that Harrah's use data it was already collecting to build customer loyalty. Mr. Satre responded by making Mr. Loveman his chief operating officer, a heady position for a young academic who had never run much of anything."....
"Mr. Loveman set to work, not necessarily to his loyal customers' benefit. In an elevator at Harrah's in Las Vegas, he met gamblers complaining that the slot machines were too "tight," paying off less than those at Harrah's in Atlantic City. Mr. Loveman knew that the opposite was true, that the company kept seven cents of every dollar pumped into the slots in Atlantic City but only a nickel in Vegas. From this chance conversation came the sort of brainstorm by which fortunes are made: If customers don't know the odds, they probably won't know when the odds worsen. Today, Caesars Entertainment keeps 8% of its slot machine take in Las Vegas instead of 5%. Those three extra cents on the dollar are pure profit. The gamblers don't seem to have noticed."...
"Not all data collection is so benign. Casino operators collect information about their customers from many other sources beyond loyalty programs; how deeply they probe Facebook FB +1.72% profiles and divorce-court records depends on the operator. Mr. Tanner explores an obscure company called Global Cash Access, which specializes in operating automatic teller machines and cash desks at casinos. If you use its services, it may (for a fee) tell the casino how much cash you withdrew there last month and how much you withdrew at other casinos. This is golden information for a marketer, but gamblers who use the teller machines may not understand that their transactions are far from private."
so if you are one , like me, who withdraws cash at home, to avoid the global casino atm fees, are you less attractive to casinos who can see your bankroll at other casinos- even -if they can't see your play?
http://online.wsj.com/articles/book-review-what-stays-in-vegas-by-adam-tanner-1410123539
Quote: 7star4nowThis is golden information for a marketer, but gamblers who use the teller machines may not understand that their transactions are far from private."
this should not be legal
Quote: sodawaterthis should not be legal
GCA:
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Quote: sodawaterthis should not be legal
I agree; that's completely a violation of my privacy. They just lost my business.
1.on a trip to a casino you don't play at- Max out GCA withdrawals
2. (the hard part) DO NOT PLAY THE$
3. redeposit $ into your bank acct
4. eat the fees & see what unsolicited offers you get
Many of us have wondered how we got a great offer from a casino we never stepped foot in out of the blue
- is it possible to game this system?
Quote: beachbumbabsI agree; that's completely a violation of my privacy. They just lost my business.
I agree but there might be a way to use this knowledge in YOUR favor- remember- other casinos are able see the cash out - NOT- if it was ever played .
Quote: beachbumbabsI agree; that's completely a violation of my privacy. They just lost my business.
Will you allow OFTM in their casinos?
Quote: SOOPOOWill you allow OFTM in their casinos?
Lol...like it's up to me...you're a funny guy.
I meant the ATM's. That company is the one in all CET properties, and I pay the fee in part to keep off tilt and not (usually) be carrying a large BR as a woman playing alone. But if they're SELLING that info???? Unbelievable.
Quote: beachbumbabsLol...like it's up to me...you're a funny guy.
I meant the ATM's. That company is the one in all CET properties, and I pay the fee in part to keep off tilt and not (usually) be carrying a large BR as a woman playing alone. .
Cathy Hulbert has horror stories about being
robbed because she's alone. And she never
carries cash. A friend of her's was killed in
a casino parking lot robbery. Lone women
should always use valet parking.
Quote: EvenBobCathy Hulbert has horror stories about being
robbed because she's alone. And she never
carries cash. A friend of her's was killed in
a casino parking lot robbery. Lone women
should always use valet parking.
"easydave" ;aka "EvenBob";, Could you explain what you are talking about & why you are here?
Are you attempting to try to delete posts under this handle?
Quote: 7star4nowI agree but there might be a way to use this knowledge in YOUR favor- remember- other casinos are able see the cash out - NOT- if it was ever played .
They would also see the available balances.
Thought ATM machines didn't print balance information anymore and don't think your balance is revealed to the ATM besides a yes or no answer for the money. You can request your balance but your bank may charge to share it.Quote: NokTangThey would also see the available balances.
Quote: 7star4nowHere's an interesting experiment (don't try this at home - or your home casino)
1.on a trip to a casino you don't play at- Max out GCA withdrawals
2. (the hard part) DO NOT PLAY THE$
3. redeposit $ into your bank acct
4. eat the fees & see what unsolicited offers you get
Many of us have wondered how we got a great offer from a casino we never stepped foot in out of the blue
- is it possible to game this system?
No wonder I always got decent offers even I am just a red chip player
Quote: onenickelmiracleThought ATM machines didn't print balance information anymore and don't think your balance is revealed to the ATM besides a yes or no answer for the money. You can request your balance but your bank may charge to share it.
It is still printed and shown here in Asia. I don't know about in USA Casino's but with today's hacking abilities, one might assume there is a real possibility and a real value in a list of people with substantial balances.
BBB I eagerly await casino "junk mail" everyday, it's like Christmas time checking the mail. Imagine a coupon for double on quads up to 125 coins on a $5 denomination. Add 1 more for my GF, a $1200 gift.Quote: beachbumbabsI agree; that's completely a violation of my privacy. They just lost my business.
I Purposely allow casino spam and check all the send me offers boxes.
Quote: beachbumbabsI agree; that's completely a violation of my privacy. They just lost my business.
Does anyone actually take the time to read all of those privacy polices that banks send you all the time? I would assume this is probably allowed somewhere in their "Privacy Policy" and you agree to it when you use the ATM.
Does anyone know what we allow Apple to do when we check those little boxes every time they do an upgrade?
It might not be fair, but I am sure they have their ass covered to make it legal.
Quote: NokTangIt is still printed and shown here in Asia. I don't know about in USA Casino's but with today's hacking abilities, one might assume there is a real possibility and a real value in a list of people with substantial balances.
I think that in general the balance can be shown if the ATM is owned by your bank (since they know your balance). If you are withdrawing from your Wells Fargo account through a Wells Fargo ATM your balance is shown. But if you are withdrawing through a 3rd party ATM it is not, because Wells Fargo does not send them that information.
Anything except a college game played in NJ or a college game involving a NJ college.
Still many issues to be resolved:
1. Federal Law...didn't they just lose a federal case. There are if I recall only 4 states allowed to do sports gambling. They were grandfathered in somehow. NV and DE are the two I can think of off the top of my head. The rest are banned under federal law.
2. The NJ casinos have no sports books. They are not set up logistically to do this. They are not going to just take $100 on the Giants -3 at the Blackjack table.
3. The pro leagues don't want this, and will fight it I think.
Six other reasons I don't have time to articulate right now. It'll be a long time until you can place a legal sports bet in NJ.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that in general the balance can be shown if the ATM is owned by your bank (since they know your balance). If you are withdrawing from your Wells Fargo account through a Wells Fargo ATM your balance is shown. But if you are withdrawing through a 3rd party ATM it is not, because Wells Fargo does not send them that information.
My bank is not a part of this network, and I never ask it how much money I have in there, but it prints out a balance, not only of my account, but also includes my overdraft margin in the total amount, which inflates the balance. If they're selling that info, I'm pretty freaked about it. However, it's a very interesting train of thought if they're figuring those amounts into offers I get, and might be worth encouraging at that. You guys are so damned clever on here....
Quote: beachbumbabsMy bank is not a part of this network, and I never ask it how much money I have in there, but it prints out a balance, not only of my account, but also includes my overdraft margin in the total amount, which inflates the balance. If they're selling that info, I'm pretty freaked about it. However, it's a very interesting train of thought if they're figuring those amounts into offers I get, and might be worth encouraging at that. You guys are so damned clever on here....
Really? That's strange. I almost never use ATMs but I don't remember seeing that printed out from third-party ones.
Apparently the casino control/gaming enforcement won't do anything. Problems might exist if Las Vegas exerts their will. Seem to remember them taking note on marijuana violating federal laws and being able to punish for behavior done in other states. If so, will certain companies be able to participate and some won't. Will slot/tables distributors not be able to do business with them? We'll have to wait and see.Quote: vendman1What?? I assume you are talking about the Chris Christie announcement, that NJ casinos can do this without fear of recrimination from the state.
Still many issues to be resolved:
1. Federal Law...didn't they just lose a federal case. There are if I recall only 4 states allowed to do sports gambling. They were grandfathered in somehow. NV and DE are the two I can think of off the top of my head. The rest are banned under federal law.
2. The NJ casinos have no sports books. They are not set up logistically to do this. They are not going to just take $100 on the Giants -3 at the Blackjack table.
3. The pro leagues don't want this, and will fight it I think.
Six other reasons I don't have time to articulate right now. It'll be a long time until you can place a legal sports bet in NJ.
Apparently the casino control/gaming enforcement won't do anything. Problems might exist if Las Vegas exerts their will. Seem to remember them taking note on marijuana violating federal laws and being able to punish for behavior done in other states. If so, will certain companies be able to participate and some won't. Will slot/tables distributors not be able to do business with them? We'll have to wait and see.Quote: vendman1What?? I assume you are talking about the Chris Christie announcement, that NJ casinos can do this without fear of recrimination from the state.
Still many issues to be resolved:
1. Federal Law...didn't they just lose a federal case. There are if I recall only 4 states allowed to do sports gambling. They were grandfathered in somehow. NV and DE are the two I can think of off the top of my head. The rest are banned under federal law.
2. The NJ casinos have no sports books. They are not set up logistically to do this. They are not going to just take $100 on the Giants -3 at the Blackjack table.
3. The pro leagues don't want this, and will fight it I think.
Six other reasons I don't have time to articulate right now. It'll be a long time until you can place a legal sports bet in NJ.
Maybe the psychics will start selling pics and bets.
agree -2 words- Harry Reid
"the Senate majority leader, who decides whether a bill comes to a vote or is buried, is Sen. Harry Reid. Reid hails from Nevada, which now has a monopoly on big-time sports betting and has millions of dollars’ worth of reasons to cling to that advantage. "
http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/index.ssf/2014/07/amick_lesniaks_latest_efforto.html
Quote: onenickelmiracleSame rumor though, hasn't happened yet though all stories so far have come to fruition.Quote: aceofspades
CBS doesn't report rumors, they verify from multiple
sources that would know. It's closing.
I'm in the acceptance stage but still floating in the denial stage a little from time to time. Hard to believe oceanfront property with a gaming license and hotel is worth less than just oceanfront property, but the way it is.Quote: EvenBobQuote: onenickelmiracleSame rumor though, hasn't happened yet though all stories so far have come to fruition.Quote: aceofspades
CBS doesn't report rumors, they verify from multiple
sources that would know. It's closing.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: onenickelmiracleSame rumor though, hasn't happened yet though all stories so far have come to fruition.Quote: aceofspades
CBS doesn't report rumors, they verify from multiple
sources that would know. It's closing.
Only inconsistency in the story is WARN notices reqd 30 days prior- why do it now for Nov?
1."CBSPhilly is reporting that the Trump Taj Mahal is going to file for bankruptcy and plans to close its doors in November. "
&
2."A source confirms to CBS 3 Eyewitness News that the Taj Mahal has already begun the process for bankruptcy and layoff notices could go out to workers next week."
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Quote: vendman1What?? I assume you are talking about the Chris Christie announcement, that NJ casinos can do this without fear of recrimination from the state.
Still many issues to be resolved:
2. The NJ casinos have no sports books. They are not set up logistically to do this. They are not going to just take $100 on the Giants -3 at the Blackjack table.
Have you been to Monmouth Park? I was there on opening day in May. There is a 'William Hill' room that is all set up for sports betting.
Quote: FatGeezusHave you been to Monmouth Park? I was there on opening day in May. There is a 'William Hill' room that is all set up for sports betting.
NJ horse track plans to take sports bets within days
http://www.thedailyjournal.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2014/09/09/nj-horse-track-plans-take-sports-bets-within-days/15327151/
