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March 25th, 2010 at 8:37:17 AM permalink
Still catching up on topics I missed while traveling…

Two items on this thread caught my eye. First with regard to dual licenses, I recently read somewhere (perhaps on another thread here) that the Slots-A-Fun license had been merged with the Circus Circus license. I think I read that it is now “Slots-A-Fun at Circus Circus,” that they had to close at least briefly for some NGC accounting matter, and that they had to change out their chips. If true, that would add another to the list provided by the Wiz. It also raises the question of whether they really now have chips stating the long name, in which case I would need to get another souvenir for my collection (much like the way I have both South Coast and South Point and both Barbary Coast and Bill’s.) Anyone know more about the situation at Slots-A-Fun (and I am not referring to it’s being a zoo)?

Second, just my two cents worth on exchanging chips in another casino: my experience has been that small chips from other Vegas casinos are readily swapped at most tables but that for larger chips they ask you to swap them at the cage, where there is no problem. I once swapped a $25 Luxor chip at one of the places in Primm, but down there they asked me to take even that one to the cage. The teller looked it up to make certain it was still a current Luxor chip, but she had no problem accepting it.
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March 25th, 2010 at 8:51:22 AM permalink
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The teller looked it up to make certain it was still a current Luxor chip....

Now, there's a reference source I'd like to know about. Where did she look it up? In a book, or online? (What's the website?)
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March 25th, 2010 at 9:02:05 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here are the dual licenses I'm aware of:

Wynn-Encore
Venetian-Palazzo
Flaimingo-O'Shae's

I think from a business and Gaming standpoint, they are the same casino.

The case of Paris-Ballys I'm not sure how to define. I think they use the same chips, and the slot tickets say "Bally's Paris," but Gaming lists them separately.



Paris/Bally operated under one license from the opening of Paris until roughly spring of 2008. Then they applied and got separate licenses. They still have the chips from when they operated apart.

Venetian/Palazzo and Wynn/Encore and Flamingo/Oshea's operate under single licenses. Slots of Fun has been operating under it's own license

Since SLOTS-A-FUN was listed under this database of square feet it was under a separate license as of end of June 2009. Because it is not listed separately under database of game counts which is updated as of December 2009 it looks like they merged their license with Circus Circus.

A blog written by a fan of SLOTS-A-FUN reported the rebranding.
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March 25th, 2010 at 9:07:12 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Now, there's a reference source I'd like to know about. Where did she look it up? In a book, or online? (What's the website?)



She used a computer in the cage -- I remember because she had to re-boot and apologized for the delay. She did not say anything about whether it was an internal database, something shared by casinos, or something publicly available. I, too, would be interested.

And yes, pacomartin, that blog and some related reports are where I read about the change supposedly happening last summer. Does anyone know what the Slots-A-Fun chips are like now?
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March 25th, 2010 at 12:15:41 PM permalink
The database of square footages and game counts on the website is public. However, it is not always up to date. The square footage database tends to have too many (not too few) casinos. It always includes some that have been closed. I think the one with number of machines is more accurate.

I have cross checked the database with the physical casino, and there are inconsistencies. So neither database is perfect.
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June 13th, 2011 at 12:07:33 PM permalink
I was just at O'Sheas this weekend, and note that they are using Flamingo chips. They did not offer separate O'Sheas chips.
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June 13th, 2011 at 12:17:59 PM permalink
Also, as of a couple weeks ago Slots-a-Fun was using Circus Circus chips.
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June 13th, 2011 at 9:29:24 PM permalink
Quote: 7outlineaway

Also, as of a couple weeks ago Slots-a-Fun was using Circus Circus chips.



I believe that if they operate under one license they must license the same chips. Although there may be chips that say Wynn and others that say Encore, technically they are interchangeable.

The Gaming commission said that originally the two casinos had to be connected by an indoor hallway, but they relaxed that rule at some date. It allowed them to make Slots-A-Fun just a portion of Circus circus.
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June 14th, 2011 at 12:00:38 AM permalink
Most casinos will accept foreign chips but they want you to turn all your foreign chips in at once and not dig into your pockets for more.
Casinos realize players get a bit buzzed and like to wander. The first time I offered foreign chips at a craps table I was too buzzed to even realize it and had no idea which casino I was in at the time.
I think there was a firm that went around settling up all the foreign chips, but I'm not sure of this. I doubt it was the same guy that went around to churches and converted their donation-plate chips to cash. He was supposedly referred to as Brother Chip.
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June 14th, 2011 at 1:20:27 AM permalink
In order to make some sense of those numbers you have to know what constitutes a separate license or not.

The casino commission releases a monthly report on the 39 Vegas strip licenses that make over $1 million per year
(1) 22 > $72 million per year
(2) 7 > $36 million per year < $72 m
(3) 7 > $12 million per year < $36 m
(4) 3 > $1 million per year < $12 m
(5) 4 < $1 million per year but are still unrestricted licenses

For fiscal year 2010 which ended last June 30th there were 23 casinos that made over $72 million that year

Las Vegas Strip
MGM Resorts Inc
1 ARIA RESORT & CASINO
2 BELLAGIO
3 EXCALIBUR HOTEL AND CASINO
4 MANDALAY BAY RESORT & CASINO
5 MGM GRAND HOTEL/CASINO
6 MIRAGE, THE
7 MONTE CARLO RESORT & CASINO
8 NEW YORK - NEW YORK HOTEL & CASINO
9 LUXOR HOTEL AND CASINO
Ceasars Inc
10 CAESARS PALACE
11 BALLY'S LAS VEGAS
12 FLAMINGO LAS VEGAS/O'SHEAS
13 HARRAH'S CASINO HOTEL LAS VEGAS
14 PARIS LAS VEGAS
15 PLANET HOLLYWOOD RESORT & CASINO
16 RIO SUITE HOTEL & CASINO
Other Corporations
17 GOLD COAST HOTEL AND CASINO
18 PALMS CASINO RESORT
19 TREASURE ISLAND
20 VENETIAN CASINO RESORT
21 WYNN LAS VEGAS
22 PALACE STATION HOTEL (in City of LV)
23 LAS VEGAS HILTON


In FY2011 there are only 22 casinos in this category, so I assume that the Las Vegas Hilton was the casino that fell below $72 million.

The other 16 over $1 million (without putting them into more detailed income groups) are:

1 BILL'S GAMBLIN' HALL & SALOON
2 CASINO ROYALE
3 CASUARINA CASINO LAS VEGAS
4 CIRCUS CIRCUS HOTEL (>$72M in FY08)
5 ELLIS ISLAND CASINO
6 HARD ROCK HOTEL & CASINO
7 HOOTERS CASINO HOTEL
8 IMPERIAL PALACE HOTEL (>$72M in FY09)
9 RIVIERA HOTEL & CASINO
10 SAHARA HOTEL & CASINO
11 TERRIBLE'S HOTEL AND CASINO
12 TROPICANA RESORT AND CASINO
13 TUSCANY LAS VEGAS
14 WILD WILD WEST GAMBLING HALL
15 PALMS CASINO - SPORTS POOL
16 AIRPORT SLOT CONCESSION


In previous years Bally's and Paris were under one license, and Slots-A-Fun was under it's own license. Oshea's was never under it's own license. RIVIERA casinos also has the SPORTS POOL under a separate license, but they do not make more than $1 million per year.

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