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Tipping Inside Casinos (always an interesting subject).
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| July 4th, 2010 at 5:57:41 AM permalink | |
| ruascott Member since: Mar 30, 2010 Threads: 16 Posts: 470 |
First of all, you said you only play machines, so your comments about tipping dealers is irrelevant. I don't even know how you can have an opinion. Its like asking someone that never eats in US restaurants if they should tip servers. This crap about "loyal casino workers" wanting you to lose is just garbage though. Casino workers don't give a flipping crap about whether you win or lose. If anything, dealers prefer dealing to winners, as that's where their tips come, as most often tipping comes in the form of BETS FOR THE DEALERS. But in the end IT DOESN'T MATTER to them or to the casino itself. Winners and losers are the nature of the business. The casion's profits are predetermied by the volume of play based upon the built in HA. All casinos want to do is increase volume (like ANY businesses, entertainment or otherwise), and make sure no one is cheating. BTW, I have NEVER once felt intimidatd into tipping at a table game in any casino I've been in. I've felt much more pressured for tips in an assortment of different business environments. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 6:17:28 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 148 Posts: 2649 |
Different culture, different standards. Someone wrote in to Bill O'reilly saying the same thing when Hillary Clinton stiffed a waitress on a tip during her Senate Campaign. (Her excuse was as FL she "didn't carry cash." Bill O mentioned Mr Clinton was known to make a point of *always* having something to take care of such thinbgs. But I digress.) But what I just wrote was Bill O's answer, and it still stands. I have no guess as why the USA is a tipping culture when most of the rest of what decended from the British Empire does not. Looking at it, the only other "Decented from the Brits" cultures who tip are places like Canada and The Bahamas, places with lots of Americans nearby or/and hanging around. You could call it "That American Risk-Taking Culture" but that would not explain why tipping is even more expected in places like Spain and Italy. In some of these places, a tip is a virtual bribe to get any kind of service at all. One thing I agree on is there is no reason to tip the person who pays your big slot win and brings your W2-G. Dealers and waitresses provied a "service" and you build some, albeit sometimes small, relationship with them. To say you tip to have your W2-G is to say it is required to give something to the cage person when you cash out. "The Roman Empire wasn't planned, but neither did it 'just happen.'" |
| July 4th, 2010 at 8:35:44 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 11 Posts: 2179 | In North America, tipping is expected inside casinos. I think that part of the reason is that you are flaunting your money everywhere as you are carrying cash and or chips inside the casino. However, perhaps Jerry's comments are a call to action. Why do we tip casino workers and dealers. Yes, they are making minimum wage (in the United States, not so much in Canada), and when you are working with the same person for hours on end, you build up a relationship to them. These dealers can make your life miserable or can make your experience enjoyable. When I tip in a casino, it's for good to great service. I never tip dealers with a poor attitude or with those who seem to take delight in your losing, win or lose. The problem with most casinos is that most share the tips equally among all dealers meaning that your tip doesn't matter. However, the gesture I think is important. If your dealer doesn't acknowledge the tip, then what is the point. I have had experience where I've won a bit of money but didn't tip because the service was awful, and I've had experiences where I've lost money and tipped generously because the dealer made it interesting or fun. -----
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| July 4th, 2010 at 3:53:15 PM permalink | |
| slicnsassy Member since: Jul 2, 2010 Threads: 1 Posts: 6 | KARMA....KARMA...KARMA.... If you expect something then you must give something. If you give nothing, then expect nothing. Karma is, what goes around comes around double fold. As you can see, once you stopped the process of sharing your good fortune and wealth, it stopped coming to you. I have ALWAYS tipped 10-15 percent when I got a handpay. I have always won on a trip to a casino. The small smile from an attendant, the light in the eyes when given this small of a gift that I can, is pleasure enough for me when I share. I always think, I will be spending it here anyway and maybe they can use it better than what I am doing with it right now. So I have never worried about sharing... I do believe in Karma and it has been good to me. So remember, what you give is what you will get back in return...being a Magyar...we believe in the world being a circle...so, good luck to all and happier days and prosperous ones too! Don't break your circle of positive energy...always think before you decide on an action...and what it means if it is not followed through with. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 4:28:28 PM permalink | |
| FleaStiff Member since: Oct 19, 2009 Threads: 61 Posts: 4188 | For quite some time tipping in the USA was considered unAmerican and more suitable for a class oriented society. If you watch a Humphrey Bogart movie Petrified Forest you will see the Tipping is UnAmerican sign prominently posted in the cafe. Ofcourse if you watch that movie closely enough you will see background flora that is not native to the Petrified Forest at all. In casinos however, its what is done. I've heard craps dealers telling each other "Seven Elevens are looking attractive" because the dealers could see the casino was nearly empty and their toke boxes were absolutely empty. It can become excessive such as in those trendy nightclubs but otherwise ... thats the way it is! You don't have to approve of it, you just have to do it. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 4:48:34 PM permalink | |
| SanchoPanza Member since: May 10, 2010 Threads: 22 Posts: 646 |
That is a sad mistake. Bank "clerks" are closely audited, and it is really easy for customers to double and triple check their work. They are also paid "regular" wages. Neither is the case for casino dealers. And if you do not believe that a dealer can be a significant help or hindrance, that may be because you say you do not play table games. One would daresay that dealers at games like craps can be as much of a help or do as much damage as, say, a food server. But then again, you say you regularly tip food servers. Are you afraid of what they might to do your food on the way to the table? |
| July 4th, 2010 at 5:47:05 PM permalink | |
| Aussie Member since: Dec 29, 2009 Threads: 9 Posts: 163 | I realize tipping is a cultural thing but can you seriously tell me things wouldn't be easier if the workers were just paid a proper wage? Scrap the tipping, increase prices slightly and pay them properly. The argument that tips give incentive to provide good service doesn't really wash. If a worker provides poor service they will be fired, tips or not. I can tell you service is no worse in Australia where tipping is rare. It's the same with not including tax in the advertised price of goods and services. Why not just include tax in the advertised price so the consumer actually knows exactly how much they're up for? Much simpler. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 6:14:05 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Feb 28, 2010 Threads: 68 Posts: 1197 |
I'd be happy to see us go to a non-tipping culture, but I think you might need to specifically outlaw it to do so. I think someone mentioned Mcdonalds earlier (which as far as I know doesn't allow tipping), however, if someone keeps slipping a Mcdonald's employee a token for good service anyway, then in my mind eventually that could work to ensuring people who tip get the decent service, and service becomes not so good for just paying customers. I don't want people not to make a decent wage either though. Maybe I should blame the company that allows tipping. I think tipping actually puts customers in the position of competing against each other whether they know it or not. On the other hand, I currently tip people who normally are expected to receive tips, as I am not a big activist about the whole issue. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 6:21:48 PM permalink | |
| JerryLogan Member since: Jun 28, 2010 Threads: 26 Posts: 1344 |
1. Huh? Casino clerks are just as closely audited, and if you do not double and triple check what they give you then you are either confused or drunk. 2. Bank tellers make by & large the same wages and benefits that casino cashiers do. 3. I trust food servers, although you never know. That's why you don't piss them off before they serve. 4. Dealers are a dime a dozen and they all have a chip on their shoulder. Each of them believes they can syphon a higher amount of tips from the saps that freely hand them over for no discernible reason. I don't play table games but I have 2 friends in LV that are a dealer and pit boss. |
| July 4th, 2010 at 6:43:04 PM permalink | |
| SanchoPanza Member since: May 10, 2010 Threads: 22 Posts: 646 |
If you play table games, you would realize that you do not get a receipt or record of transaction or statement after every roll or hand.
OK, how do you know that and how much is the typical wage? Anyway, you were complaining about dealers mostly, not cashiers.
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