Tipping Inside Casinos (always an interesting subject).

Quote: JerryLogan

Think of how many times the bank teller is required to go through hoops for a customer who wants an advance on their credit card, has a problem with their checking account, or just has a time-consuming issue to resolve. It's not just withdrawals and deposits. Yet as poorly paid as these mostly young people are, no one tips them and they don't expect any tips. So why should some low-rent casino cashier be given any tips?

This argument can be used for a lot of things related to tipping though!

"The dealer's just pulling cards outta the shoe / machine..." That's neither time consuming nor difficult and is a basic function of their job. Why does that deserve a tip?

Personally I tip for mispays (in my favor of course)

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This argument can be used for a lot of things related to tipping though!

"The dealer's just pulling cards outta the shoe / machine..." That's neither time consuming nor difficult and is a basic function of their job. Why does that deserve a tip?

Personally I tip for mispays (in my favor of course)

If I were to play tables one thing I'd never do is tip a dealer, regardless if he or she smiled, ordered drinks for me, helped me with my cards, or was dealing a red hot shoe. Part of their job. Just like the slot people and their bosses do with vp players, the dealers want you to lose a crapload to help solidify their jobs. Nothing more/nothing less.

LOL...

Quote: JerryLogan

If I were to play tables one thing I'd never do is tip a dealer, regardless if he or she smiled, ordered drinks for me, helped me with my cards, or was dealing a red hot shoe. Part of their job. Just like the slot people and their bosses do with vp players, the dealers want you to lose a crapload to help solidify their jobs. Nothing more/nothing less.

If you played them, you might feel differently. Table games have a social dimension. A good dealer makes the game more fun. They don't want you to lose; they want you to win. It's more fun for them that way, too. They're just regular people. If you sat at one, you'd see that.

If you get a bad dealer, no smiling, no interaction, or sometimes downright surly, the game is horrible.* In that case, screw 'em; no tip. But you get a good one, someone who's fun... well, there's no harm in winning a couple hundred on a straight in 3 Card, and tossing a nickel for the dealer on the Pairs Plus bet, and having everyone rooting, "205 and down! $205 and down!" Because of course, if it's $205 and down, that means it's like $1200 or so for you. It's worth the $5 to pull that karma, even if there is no such thing as karma.**

* There is a Let it Ride dealer at the Tropicana in AC... Narc is his name. He is by far the most obnoxious dealer I've ever come across. They only let him deal Let it Ride, and only the 2nd or 3rd table, he chases everyone else away. I came across him when I started playing tables, starting out with LiR. It was the first time I ever left a table because of the dealer (I've done it lots since then). He's just a nasty guy.

**Ray and Jennifer at Caesar's in AC. Jennifer was a pit boss, she retired about 6 months ago. Beautiful woman, late 40s, into snakes and reptiles. Ray always remembers my name, and a couple times he's gotten me dinner comps. These people, I look for them, I play their tables, and I tip. IMO, it is "value added", which is my standard for tipping. I never did a 205 and down for Ray, but I did a 155 once. Ray moved from cards to craps, and he's at the higher stakes tables now, so I just wave and say hey.

If you played them, you might feel differently. Table games have a social dimension. A good dealer makes the game more fun. They don't want you to lose; they want you to win. It's more fun for them that way, too. They're just regular people. If you sat at one, you'd see that.
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I understand the social dimension and fun factor that can be experienced at the tables. If you're there to just have fun while trying make someone other than yourself happy, sounds good to be throwing your money around as tips. But if you're there to win then there's no reason to be tipping anyone for any reason.

No casino employee wants anyone to win unless it's their money that's being bet. If I were a casino manager and I found out one of my subordinates felt the way you're saying, the next words out of my mouth would be "You're Fired!"

Quote: JerryLogan

Part of their job....hanging out in parking lots...etc etc

There are lots of very persuasive "non-tipping" arguments for a variety of jobs that either "depend on" or "expect" tips.

But Jerry...you just sound PISSED OFF at service people.

So don't tip. On principle. Because you're right!

You sound like a load of fun to hang out with...

Quote: JerryLogan

No casino employee wants anyone to win unless it's their money that's being bet.

I've never met a dealer who didn't want me to win. Winners tip better.

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If I were a casino manager and I found out one of my subordinates felt the way you're saying, the next words out of my mouth would be "You're Fired!"

That's stupid. You do realize the house edge is the same whether the dealer wants the player to win or not, right? All you'd do is fire the better dealers first, then turn the rest into the surly type hated by everyone. You'd lose customers in droves.

Quote: JerryLogan

I understand the social dimension and fun factor that can be experienced at the tables. If you're there to just have fun while trying make someone other than yourself happy, sounds good to be throwing your money around as tips. But if you're there to win then there's no reason to be tipping anyone for any reason.

No casino employee wants anyone to win unless it's their money that's being bet. If I were a casino manager and I found out one of my subordinates felt the way you're saying, the next words out of my mouth would be "You're Fired!"

Of course I want to have fun, it's why I gamble. If I wanted to make money, I'd have gone to work that day instead. If I wanted to make money, I'd figure out something where I have an edge, and grind it 8-12 hours a day... Oh, wait. I do that already, it's my job.

You play how you want to, it makes no difference to me, I suppose. Mine's just a data point in the original question. Sorry I tried to offer a way to brighten your time in the casino, a lot more fun for a little investment. But if it makes you feel like a chump for brightening a small corner of the casino, don't do it. If I'm at the same table, I'll do it for you, and you can look on from the outside and think about what a sucker I am.

Quote: JerryLogan

No casino employee wants anyone to win unless it's their money that's being bet. If I were a casino manager and I found out one of my subordinates felt the way you're saying, the next words out of my mouth would be "You're Fired!"

Actually, If I was a casino manager, the only thing I'd do is watch that dealer to make sure he's not mispaying or doing something not allowed to give the players an advantage.

The dealer rooting for the players doesn't change my mathematical advantage AND creates a more positive environment for the players. As long as he's dealing by the rules, that's fine by me! I could care less even if the guy hates the casino. If he makes the customers happy and keeps them coming back HE IS DOING HIS JOB!

Quote: JerryLogan

If you played them, you might feel differently. Table games have a social dimension. A good dealer makes the game more fun. They don't want you to lose; they want you to win. It's more fun for them that way, too. They're just regular people. If you sat at one, you'd see that.
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I understand the social dimension and fun factor that can be experienced at the tables. If you're there to just have fun while trying make someone other than yourself happy, sounds good to be throwing your money around as tips. But if you're there to win then there's no reason to be tipping anyone for any reason.

No casino employee wants anyone to win unless it's their money that's being bet. If I were a casino manager and I found out one of my subordinates felt the way you're saying, the next words out of my mouth would be "You're Fired!"

Wow. What exactly do you think is tip-worthy? Appearantly nothing. Servers in restaurants are just "doing their job" right? Why tip them? Or the bell-boy, or the valet guy?

I've never once met a dealer who didn't want me to win. And the great thing about table games you can make the bet for the dealer along-side theirs. Then you can be assured they want you to win, as they either get $10 or $0 (on a $5 bet).

I assume you go gambling by yourself, because you don't sound like a hell of a lot of fun to be around.