Tipping Inside Casinos (always an interesting subject).

Quote: luckyjackg

You guys are a trip!

BTW, I think the republican comment was towards Jerry, as he got off on a political rant on another thread a couple of days ago.

Also, I totally get where you are coming from with the spelling... typos and grammer mistakes bother the crap out of me at work and such....but on a casual forum?? Eh....

I never re-read anything I write before posting on here, so I'm sure my posts are full of mistakes, but as long as you get your point made, what does it really matter in this environment?

Quote: luckyjackg

I am not a Republican, I just can't stand incorrect spelling. If you don't know how to spell it use a different word.

Not you, lucky; our non-tipping avowed Republican friend JerryLogan. Because I'm gonna sign on to that program, those guys seem like they're a barrel of laffs. Good times, good times.

Me personally, I'm a grammar, punctuation, and spelling nut. How (and of course what) you write says a lot about who you are. Clear writing means accurate communication.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

Quote: JerryLogan

I don't think some here get it. Casinos are not your friends. They want to destroy you by taking as much money from you as they can (and more if you see how many ATM's they have) and you go in to take their money, thereby putting some kind of hurt on them and their livelihoods.

You're the one who doesn't get it. What you're describing is a con of some sort, not a rational business practice. You might as well say the same thing about Walmart or a movie theater or any other business that <gasp!> takes your money in exchange for goods or services. Some of them even have ATM machines in their premises!

Have you ever returned anything at a retailer? 99% of them will take the item back, within reason, and either give you money or credit in return, even if you're "putting some kind of hurt on them and their livelihoods." Why? Because they don't live stuck on the immediate moment, tey want you to keep coming back.

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Dealers are the biggest pretenders in the world because, well, they're looking for your TIPS!

Tips are their primary source of income, so yes, quite rationally they're looking for tip. What do you expect them to do? Decrease their standard of living, or quit, just to spare your sensitivities?

For that matter, I only work for the benefit I get from work. Be it money, experience or anything else. What else do you expect anyone to do?

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The people who want your money while you're gambling or winning are your biggest enemies while you are playing in their place of employment.

The people who don't want your money when you're gambling have no money of their own to gamble with you.

If I were you I'd quit gambling altogether.

Funny; a Republican who is anti-profit!

Quote: JerryLogan

I don't think some here get it. Casinos are not your friends. They want to destroy you by taking as much money from you as they can (and more if you see how many ATM's they have) and you go in to take their money, thereby putting some kind of hurt on them and their livelihoods. And part of their game is to put you all in a make-believe world for the time you're there, making it easier to take your money because now for some reason you'll feel good about it.

Dealers are the biggest pretenders in the world because, well, they're looking for your TIPS! They play the same kind of game the floor people do when they congratulate jackpot winners, because all they want is, yes.... your TIPS! Jackpots and socializing at tables build confidence and are things the casino employees count on. What better way to take your money from right under your nose than to make you feel good about it?

Smart players don't care how casino employees "feel" or how friendly they are. They also don't hand out those type of tips. These are not service people like cocktail waitresses, bartenders and valet parkers. The people who want your money while you're gambling or winning are your biggest enemies while you are playing in their place of employment.

Dude, if you don't want to tip, just be honest about it.

Personally I tip very little in a casino. Why? Because I'm a cheap bastard when it comes to tips. I'm not gonna make up pages of reasons why I don't tip well. I don't because it's my money and I want to keep it, that's the bottom line.

If you want to be cheap that's fine, there's no need to lie about it.

The tipping situation is frustrating to me because i feel people who are underpaid and deserve tips should be tipped. I personaly am one of those people. I often go obviously out of my way to help customers and because it is not customary to tip retail type employees, I pretty much never get tipped. When in Vegas I tip as much as i can when tips are deserved. But boy is it frustrating knowing employees in vegas get tipped for doing their job (well or not well) and I don't get tipped when i do an extraordinary service.


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As an Australian, I find the whole concept of tippig absolutely ridiculous. Why not pay the worker a proper wage and be done with it?

Quote: Aussie

As an Australian, I find the whole concept of tippig absolutely ridiculous. Why not pay the worker a proper wage and be done with it?

That would be the easy way. Why raise costs for the company when you can rely on the customers to make up the shortfall?

I'm not a pro gambler, and I take anywhere from $2k to $7k on each trip. Sure I don't really expect to win but I TRY, and part of that effort doesn't include handing out free cash to casino employees who don't bring me a drink, a meal, my luggage or my car. If anyone doesn't think all loyal casino employees want you to lose then you're having a great time dreaming about Susan Boyle.

The argument about tipping floor people & dealers because they "depend on it for their income" is irrelevant. They couldn't care less how I earn my money and I don't care one bit how they earn theirs. It's a free society and other job opportunities are there. Aussie's partially correct (and it does make you think about why we tip so freely here) in that the wage should be an appropriate wage. However, if it isn't and you're not happy with the wage then you're the loser who took the job.

There's nothing cheap about me. I tip for many services and I tip well. Dealers and people who bring me jackpot money with W2G's are not doing me any service and I'm not buying anything from them. I also didn't order the money or ask them to hold onto it for a while for me. I don't recall anyone ever tipping the CVS or Rite Aid clerks, and their services are far more important than what a dealer does. And of course, the bank clerk example sort of puts all the tipping casino cashier questions to rest very nicely.

People always seem afraid or reluctant to admit it, but inside casinos we're intimidated into tipping. The employees so much expect it that if we don't do it, there's instant animosity with uneasiness all around. How do you eliminate that discomfort? By TIPPING! Ever get a hand-pay where the last hundred is broken down into twenties?

Quote: Croupier

That would be the easy way. Why raise costs for the company when you can rely on the customers to make up the shortfall?

When a company raises its costs, or has them raised by taxes, fees and such, invariably these are passed to the customers.

The reason why some service jobs have low wages plus tips is the same reason why other jobs have performance bonuses: as an incentive to the employee to do his job better.

The difference is that bonuses offered are reliable, while tips are erratic.