Tipping Inside Casinos (always an interesting subject).

Quote: JerryLogan

4. Dealers are a dime a dozen and they all have a chip on their shoulder. Each of them believes they can syphon a higher amount of tips from the saps that freely hand them over for no discernible reason. I don't play table games but I have 2 friends in LV that are a dealer and pit boss.

As an ex-dealer for over 30 years, Jerry is right on!
Well, maybe only 99.99% of all dealers have a chip on their shoulder.

Quote: Aussie

I realize tipping is a cultural thing but can you seriously tell me things wouldn't be easier if the workers were just paid a proper wage? Scrap the tipping, increase prices slightly and pay them properly. The argument that tips give incentive to provide good service doesn't really wash. If a worker provides poor service they will be fired, tips or not. I can tell you service is no worse in Australia where tipping is rare.

It might or might not affect service levels. But my personal thought is that service levels would go down. Lets look at just casinos for now. It is not in dispute that few casinos are "go for your own" houses. Here at WoV and on WoO there are plenty of statements that the applicatrion line for "go for your own" places is long and competition is fierce for dealer jobs. So if all casinos paid a "decent wage" the best people would take a pay cut, many would go do something else. To keep the best dealers a place such as Caesars has to make it up somewhere else, which would mean more bad rules for players (Come and play our new 7:6 Blackjack!) since there would be no reason for the best dealers to work there instead of Circus Circus which seems to have the lowest tips on the strip.

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It's the same with not including tax in the advertised price of goods and services. Why not just include tax in the advertised price so the consumer actually knows exactly how much they're up for? Much simpler.

This is a mixed bag. Why they don't do it here in the USA is due mostly to law. In PA the Sate-owned liquor stores once included sales tax in the price but the state (yes, the state who owned the stores) said it was not legal. I'd rather have it listed as a line-item instead of embedded in the price like with a VAT tax. For one simple reason--I want people to realize how much taxes they pay each and every time they buy. This limits people voting for the guy with the bigger handout promise.

Quote: Aussie

It's the same with not including tax in the advertised price of goods and services. Why not just include tax in the advertised price so the consumer actually knows exactly how much they're up for? Much simpler.

Cuts both ways.

In Mexico there's a value added tax (VAT) currently at 16% (originally it was 10%). At one time it wasn't included in the price, now it is. I admit it's easier to know the full amount to pay, rather than having to calculate the tax before reaching the register. On the other hand you don't necessarily realize how much money the government's taking from you. Sure, you know it's 16% on top of the sale price, but that tells the average person nothing.

In addition when the VAT rate goes up, the "price" goes up, too. I put price in quitation amrks because the price is what the seller charges for something before taxes. Usually, though, it's seen as a price increase, not as a tax increase.

Quote: 7winner

As an ex-dealer for over 30 years, Jerry is right on!
Well, maybe only 99.99% of all dealers have a chip on their shoulder.

Yeah, but I don't care about that. A good dealer will put the attitude aside and give me a good playing experience. So the guy's trying to siphon tips? Hey, do a good job and it will work, everybody gets what they want, and the day ends with a beautiful sunset. After all, in the end I don't care either, all I'm there for is a good time. If I'm getting my mind all torqued up thinking about a good dealer's real inner attitude, then something is wrong inside of me, and I need to walk away from the casino.

Quote: 7winner

As an ex-dealer for over 30 years, Jerry is right on!
Well, maybe only 99.99% of all dealers have a chip on their shoulder.

Works for me. If they're that good at acting, they deserve a bit of extra remuneration. And if they happen to help me out along the way, so much the better.

Quote: AZDuffman

This is a mixed bag. Why they don't do it here in the USA is due mostly to law. In PA the Sate-owned liquor stores once included sales tax in the price but the state (yes, the state who owned the stores) said it was not legal. I'd rather have it listed as a line-item instead of embedded in the price like with a VAT tax. For one simple reason--I want people to realize how much taxes they pay each and every time they buy. This limits people voting for the guy with the bigger handout promise.

Great case of how one hand doesnt talk to the other. Instead of just changing the store's policy, one state department has to tell another state department what they're doing is illegal...

Kinda like how casinos send room offers to trespassed people

Quote: JerryLogan

3. I trust food servers, although you never know. That's why you don't piss them off before they serve.

Really? You walk on eggshells in restaurants because you're afraid someone will do something to your food? Wow.

Quote: JerryLogan

...they all have a chip on their shoulder.

Talk about projection!

It seems the whole world is out to screw you. You're wise to stay on your toes.

Quote: Calder

Really? You walk on eggshells in restaurants because you're afraid someone will do something to your food? Wow.



Talk about projection!

It seems the whole world is out to screw you. You're wise to stay on your toes.

Reaching for straws has never worked out for anyone.

Not trying to piss the waiter off is equivalent to being a good customer and having a good time. Where did the fear factor get manufactured??

You also equate not tipping casino gaming employees with them trying to screw me? You see why I made the "reaching for straws" comment.

Quote: JerryLogan

3. I trust food servers, although you never know. That's why you don't piss them off before they serve.

Oh, so THAT'S the reason to not piss off food servers before they serve.

When is the right time to piss them off? When they bring the check?

I'm glad you don't play table games, because you are one of those black clouds that rain all over a good time at a blackjack table...

My mom's opinion on tipping is the one that I follow:

Tip what you're comfortable with.