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Pai gow misdeal help
faceup pai gow.dealer sets all seven spots. four cards set back in shuffler.
dealer opens and sets a full house.
three jacks, king, 2
pair of 4s on top.
dealer takes king and 2 cards and places them in shuffler with the discarded cards.
most of the spots folded their hands. dealer has now taken dealers two cards (k,2) and other spots cards and places them in shuffler.
dealer recognizes that dealer has
2 cards on top
3 cards on bottom.
(missing 2 cards)
** 44
** JJJ
calls floor, floor calls pit.
pit has security review cards, pit has dealer remove king and 2 from discarded pile, and place them back into play.
I protest that it's a misdeal.
or a loss for dealer who does not have 5 cards on high hand..
and that dealer folded those cards.
boss says no. pulls cards from shuffler to continue hand.
if a player does not set their hands right, we are not allowed to reset.
if a player folds cards and they are picked up, we cannot ask to remove them from the shuffler. let alone to unfold the hand.
my hand lost $300 plus $30 bonus.
does house owe me $300 or even $600 as a win?
thoughts? previous experience?
stated rules anywhere online?
Comments
I would do the same thing as a Suprrvisor. Dealer is not allowed to foul or mis-set. The dealer hand gets corrected and everything plays out like normal.
I agree with ZCore. The way I understand it, if at any time the dealer sets his hand any way that is not ‘the house way’ and it is discovered the dealer’s hand is reset to house way. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve noticed a dealer set not according to their house ways, and if it’s to my advantage, I’ll alert the dealer and if necessary the pit boss.
even if the cards were thrown into the shuffler.... interesting.
I would call Surveilance to recreate the hand before calling a misdeal. Doesn't even matter what the cards are or what players have. The house hand must be set correctly.
what would you do if you didn't have surveillance?
No such thing in a casino.
The only way that would ever be a misdeal would be if any or all of the dealer's hand was unrevealed before being put in the muck. In that case, surveillance would not be able to confirm the cards.
What a situation! I would also be upset if I lost money because of such a mix-up. I think if the dealer made a mistake, then it should have been an invalid hand. But apparently, every casino has its own rules. I don't know how it is everywhere, but it seems to me that the rules should be clear to the players. In any case, I will remember this case