What is the player advantage?

After spending much time trying to find the answer or a way to calculate it I am asking for help please. I would like to know the player advantage for the following blackjack game.
6 deck h17 double all splits to four hands, can re-split aces, no surrender, 3:2bj,
while playing basic strategy, using illustrious 18, counting hi-low with 1-4 spread
also what does it change to if I only play hands with a count of 0 or higher?

Incidentally these are the rules at the chumash casino.
thanks in advance for any help.

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After spending much time trying to find the answer or a way to calculate it I am asking for help please. I would like to know the player advantage for the following blackjack game. 6 deck h17 double all splits to four hands, can re-split aces, no surrender, 3:2bj,
while playing basic strategy, using illustrious 18, counting hi-low with 1-4 spread.

I ran two simulations, each of many millions of hands.

I ran a simulation using ALL indices with a 1-4 spread, playing all hands. The wagers were $100, $200, $300 and $400, with $400 at True Counts >= 4, and a reasonable, but non-optimal ramp. I assumed the game is dealt to a depth of 4.5 decks out of 6. In this case, you stand to win about $15 per 100 hands.

Using a "bailout" true count of -1, so that you never play a hand with a count of -1 or less, your win jumps slightly, to approximately $65 per 100 hands, according to my simulation. In this situation your (Average profit) / (Aveage initial wager) is 0.48 (since you asked for the player's advantage, it's just under 0.5%), and the "Desirability Index" is 3.4 (the game sucks).

Again, these results are based on simulations and use ALL available indices. They are also only based on "millions" of hands instead of "billions" like most of these pros simulate. You will get only slightly less using the Illustrious 18, which is the whole point of them being "Illustrious."

Upshot. 1-4 is futile as a spread in a 6 deck game if you play all hands. But you should be able to bounce around pretty easily on Friday and Saturday nights.

--Dorothy

Thank you, I forgot to list the penetration, it's to 4 decks instead of 4.5, if its not too much trouble could you let me know how much that changes the advantage? Also what simulator would you recommend I get? I have casino verite, but not the simulator part.

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Thank you, I forgot to list the penetration, it's to 4 decks instead of 4.5, if its not too much trouble could you let me know how much that changes the advantage? Also what simulator would you recommend I get? I have casino verite, but not the simulator part.

If the games aren't playable with 4.5 out of 6, then they are even worse (much worse!) with 4 out of 6. Except as a valuable tool to learn and practice counting, there is no value in the game at the Chumash you are describing. Practice your counting there and then head to Las Vegas (when you turn 21 and graduate -- just guessing).

--Dorothy

I am a newbie and not sure where to post this but the discussion seems about player advantage in blackjack, so here goes.

The Aces and Fives counting strategy that the Wizard recommends on his site says to double the bet when the count is 2 or greater. How does the return change if you don't double your bet until the count is 3 or 4. And more specifically, what are the overall odds when the count is 3, 4, etc.

If I am at a casino with a friend who is playing and I ask him to add a bet for me to his bet, at what count does my expectation turn profitable?


Thanks.