Nefarious Craps Manipulations
July 2nd, 2011 at 10:55:50 AM
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This is more of a 'what if' than a question about an actual situation. Empire City "Casino" in Yonkers, NY has on their website, a graphic saying "Craps! They're Here". I'm going to schlep up there today (from Long Island, Suffolk County) to investigate. I have a feeling, since there is no link associated with the graphic, that they have added some video machine that plays what sort-of looks like Craps.
Craps is played by throwing two dice to determine an outcome from 2 to 12. There are 36 combinations, 1-2, 2-3s, 3-4s, 4-5s, 5-6s, 6-7s, 5-8s 4-9s, 3-10s, 2-11s and 1-12. That's a physical limitation and with that we can figure out what our odds of winning or losing are depending of the bet being offered. Since Craps has a very low rake for the casino, it's my contention that Craps as we know it would never open in Yonkers.
Here's my question: If you programmed a Craps video machine to roll, in addition to the standard 36 possible outcomes, an additional 11 outcomes, one each of 2 through 12 so that you can have 47 possible outcomes, 2-2s, 3-3s, 4-4s, 5-5s, 6-6s, 7-7s, 6-8s 5-9s, 4-10s, 3-11s and 2-12s, how would this affect the casino's rake and second, how many rolls of the "dice" would have to occur before a Mathematician type could detect it? Would you have to disallow "Don't" bets? Would just adding one additional 12 be enough to disguise the increased advantage to the house?
Craps is played by throwing two dice to determine an outcome from 2 to 12. There are 36 combinations, 1-2, 2-3s, 3-4s, 4-5s, 5-6s, 6-7s, 5-8s 4-9s, 3-10s, 2-11s and 1-12. That's a physical limitation and with that we can figure out what our odds of winning or losing are depending of the bet being offered. Since Craps has a very low rake for the casino, it's my contention that Craps as we know it would never open in Yonkers.
Here's my question: If you programmed a Craps video machine to roll, in addition to the standard 36 possible outcomes, an additional 11 outcomes, one each of 2 through 12 so that you can have 47 possible outcomes, 2-2s, 3-3s, 4-4s, 5-5s, 6-6s, 7-7s, 6-8s 5-9s, 4-10s, 3-11s and 2-12s, how would this affect the casino's rake and second, how many rolls of the "dice" would have to occur before a Mathematician type could detect it? Would you have to disallow "Don't" bets? Would just adding one additional 12 be enough to disguise the increased advantage to the house?
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
July 2nd, 2011 at 11:34:51 AM
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I bet they just limit you to 2x odds, and pay stingy on the field... nothing nefarious. Machine and no dealers saves money right there.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:27:46 PM
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Nefarious?
Well, does crapless craps count as craps?
Well, does crapless craps count as craps?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:30:23 PM
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Quote: NareedNefarious?
Well, does crapless craps count as craps?
Does cardless poker count as poker? Millions of online players seem to think so LOL
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:34:48 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffDoes cardless poker count as poker? Millions of online players seem to think so LOL
Yes, but so does dice-less craps. Crapless is a different game. There's no Dark Side at all!
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:46:36 PM
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There's no Dark Side at all!
"Evil began in a time before recorded history, when magicians made themselves into kings…and gods…using the powers of the dark side of the Force. The weak-minded have ever been ready to obey one who wields great power. Those who learned the powers of the dark side were quick to exploit this weakness—to make war. Again and again the dark side has surged forth, like a storm…devouring whole worlds and entire star systems. Those who mastered dark power became dark power. They unleashed destruction, for no other reason than for selfish gain. They despoiled nations…destroyed whole civilizations. Some of them, I am ashamed to say, were Jedi."
"Evil began in a time before recorded history, when magicians made themselves into kings…and gods…using the powers of the dark side of the Force. The weak-minded have ever been ready to obey one who wields great power. Those who learned the powers of the dark side were quick to exploit this weakness—to make war. Again and again the dark side has surged forth, like a storm…devouring whole worlds and entire star systems. Those who mastered dark power became dark power. They unleashed destruction, for no other reason than for selfish gain. They despoiled nations…destroyed whole civilizations. Some of them, I am ashamed to say, were Jedi."
July 2nd, 2011 at 12:56:36 PM
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Quote: NareedWell, does crapless craps count as craps?
Headline: Crapless Craps Counts as Craps Claims Credulous Citizen Confident of Cashing, Casting Confusion at Casino
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:06:14 PM
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Quote: NareedWell, does crapless craps count as craps?
Not in my book. At the very least, it's a crude bastardization.
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:10:29 PM
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Quote: buzzpaff"Evil began in a time before recorded history, when magicians made themselves into kings…and gods…using the powers of the dark side of the Force.
Not that dark side.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
July 2nd, 2011 at 1:59:39 PM
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It's video craps from Shufflemaster. You can't insert your player's card anywhere in it. I think this still a work in progress.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
