Looking for odd on specific bacc scenarios
October 3rd, 2022 at 10:12:46 AM
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Hello all!
I have a curious employee who says they see scenarios on ez-baccarat happen frequently and I promised I would investigate the numbers but I've come up empty so far. There are three scenarios in question.
These are very interesting occurrences in the game and I'd love to provide that info for my team! Thanks in advance!
I have a curious employee who says they see scenarios on ez-baccarat happen frequently and I promised I would investigate the numbers but I've come up empty so far. There are three scenarios in question.
-5-card Dragons (player has 2-card 6, banker draws to 7)
-Panda kills Dragon (player 3-card 8 over banker 3 card 7)
-6-card 0-0 ties (player and banker both draw to 0-0 tie)
-Panda kills Dragon (player 3-card 8 over banker 3 card 7)
-6-card 0-0 ties (player and banker both draw to 0-0 tie)
These are very interesting occurrences in the game and I'd love to provide that info for my team! Thanks in advance!
October 3rd, 2022 at 3:32:24 PM
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Welcome to the forum.
There usually aren't easy ways, others than cycling through all the possible ways a hand might be played out, of working these kinds of things. Thus the best way is to create a program or spreadsheet which has all the looping logic. Also if you have a "team" and trying to develop a counting method to beat some sidebets, you probably need to use this type of method.
Also I assume you meant...
(i) Player stands on 2-card 6, Banker draws a third card and makes 7 (the way you've written it is that the Banker draws to 7, whereas the Banker would normally stand on 7).
(ii) This can be read as either both Player and Banker receive 0-0 with their first two cards, so draw cards to 0-0 or after the Player and Banker have completed their hands, they both have a total of 0, resulting in a 0-0 tie. (Note there are sidebets for specific ties at some London casinos.)
There usually aren't easy ways, others than cycling through all the possible ways a hand might be played out, of working these kinds of things. Thus the best way is to create a program or spreadsheet which has all the looping logic. Also if you have a "team" and trying to develop a counting method to beat some sidebets, you probably need to use this type of method.
Also I assume you meant...
(i) Player stands on 2-card 6, Banker draws a third card and makes 7 (the way you've written it is that the Banker draws to 7, whereas the Banker would normally stand on 7).
(ii) This can be read as either both Player and Banker receive 0-0 with their first two cards, so draw cards to 0-0 or after the Player and Banker have completed their hands, they both have a total of 0, resulting in a 0-0 tie. (Note there are sidebets for specific ties at some London casinos.)
October 3rd, 2022 at 3:52:08 PM
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Thank you for the reply!
My team consists of prop players in CA and they frequently ask these types of questions. It would be in my best interest to learn how to create the spreadsheet so I wouldn't have to rely on kind internet strangers. Hopefully there is a comprehensive resource I'm able to reference.
(i) My apologies. At our casino, we don't consider the first four cards on baccarat draw cards. Only the 3rd card on each side is referred to as a draw card.
(ii) Now that I think about it, 0-0 ties can only occur with 6 cards.
My team consists of prop players in CA and they frequently ask these types of questions. It would be in my best interest to learn how to create the spreadsheet so I wouldn't have to rely on kind internet strangers. Hopefully there is a comprehensive resource I'm able to reference.
(i) My apologies. At our casino, we don't consider the first four cards on baccarat draw cards. Only the 3rd card on each side is referred to as a draw card.
(ii) Now that I think about it, 0-0 ties can only occur with 6 cards.
October 3rd, 2022 at 5:02:39 PM
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I did a simulation on an 8-deck shoe, and got this:
Five Card Dragon: once every 221 hands
Panda Kills Dragon: once every 482 hands
Six-Card 0-0: once every 173 hands
Five Card Dragon: once every 221 hands
Panda Kills Dragon: once every 482 hands
Six-Card 0-0: once every 173 hands
October 3rd, 2022 at 5:11:42 PM
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That's so awesome, thank you!
Would you care to explain how you came to those numbers or are you able to point me to a resource with that information?
Would you care to explain how you came to those numbers or are you able to point me to a resource with that information?
October 3rd, 2022 at 5:46:23 PM
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Quote: jooono77That's so awesome, thank you!
Would you care to explain how you came to those numbers or are you able to point me to a resource with that information?
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I ran a simulation of millions of 8-deck shoes, and counted the total number of hands dealt, and the number of times each result came up.
October 4th, 2022 at 1:47:08 AM
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You can see he 0-0 bet explained at https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/putnosuperpayegalite.html and https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/puntourwayegalite.html
In the first page 0-0 pays 160/1 for a House Edge of 6.65% confirming it's about one hand in 172 (161/(1-0.0665)), similarly on the second page for 150/1 at 12.45%.
In the first page 0-0 pays 160/1 for a House Edge of 6.65% confirming it's about one hand in 172 (161/(1-0.0665)), similarly on the second page for 150/1 at 12.45%.
