August 17th, 2021 at 10:32:01 PM
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I recently watched mr Shackleford video on this where he does the math but he used 10 to 1 for unsuited and 15 to 1 for suited. My casino offers 10 to 1 for unsuited pairs but for suited pairs it’s 25 to 1. This is on a double deck game.

I’m no math wizard at all. But I tried to extrapolate his math over to this game and it seems it could be positive for player. However I know the casino never offers a wager positive for the player lol.

I’d like to know the expectation of this side bet where suited pairs pay 25 to 1 rather than 15 to 1. And unsuited pairs pay the same as his example of 10 to 1.

Thanks!

I’m no math wizard at all. But I tried to extrapolate his math over to this game and it seems it could be positive for player. However I know the casino never offers a wager positive for the player lol.

I’d like to know the expectation of this side bet where suited pairs pay 25 to 1 rather than 15 to 1. And unsuited pairs pay the same as his example of 10 to 1.

Thanks!

August 17th, 2021 at 11:46:32 PM
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ev = -10.68%, still favor to the casino.

August 18th, 2021 at 3:14:25 AM
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Quote:ssho88ev = -10.68%, still favor to the casino.

betbrett,

To elaborate on ssho88's correct but terse answer...

Say your first card is the 6 of Clubs. Now that leaves 103 unknown cards in a double deck game. One of them is the other 6 of Clubs (worth 25); six of them are the other 6's (two each in Spades, Hearts, and Diamonds), worth 10; and the remaining 96 (103 - 1 - 6 = 96) are losers (worth -1). Thus, your EV can be calculated as follows:

EV = 25*(1/103) + 10*(6/103) - 1*(96/103) = (25 + 60 - 96)/103 = -11/103 = -0.1068... = -10.68%.

Naturally, above calculation is exactly the same for any first card you receive.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

August 18th, 2021 at 7:49:54 AM
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Thanks for the reply.

In Mr Shacklefords analysis of the pair square he arrived at that same EV for 10/1 unsuited and 15/1 suited.

In the example I gave the suited pair pays 25/1. Therefore the EV can’t be the same tor both of these games.

Here is where I get the info given for the 15/1 game as analyzed by Mr Shackleford

YouTube . Com /3XDTmnldND4

In Mr Shacklefords analysis of the pair square he arrived at that same EV for 10/1 unsuited and 15/1 suited.

In the example I gave the suited pair pays 25/1. Therefore the EV can’t be the same tor both of these games.

Here is where I get the info given for the 15/1 game as analyzed by Mr Shackleford

YouTube . Com /3XDTmnldND4

August 18th, 2021 at 10:50:51 AM
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Quote:betbrettThanks for the reply.

In Mr Shacklefords analysis of the pair square he arrived at that same EV for 10/1 unsuited and 15/1 suited.

In the example I gave the suited pair pays 25/1. Therefore the EV can’t be the same tor both of these games.

Here is where I get the info given for the 15/1 game as analyzed by Mr Shackleford

YouTube . Com /3XDTmnldND4

On the WOO page on Pair Square the Wizard shows:

For 15/10 and 6 decks the EV = - 0.106109

For 25/10 and 2 decks the EV = - 0.106796

Those are NOT inconsistent. The lower number of decks makes getting both a pair and a suited pair less probable and offsets the increase in payout for the suited pair.

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