niuniuking
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August 23rd, 2020 at 1:50:13 AM permalink
I found a new game. Niu Niu variant. 5 % tax on all hand but they open three cards of your own to let you decide whether you want to double or not.

I wonder what's the BS and casino or player hold
Wizard
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August 23rd, 2020 at 3:20:37 AM permalink
Quote: niuniuking

Now how do I test them for cheating???

1. State in advance what you are testing for.
2. Gather evidence.
3. Analyze evidence.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
niuniuking
Joined: Jul 11, 2020
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August 24th, 2020 at 3:59:25 AM permalink
shuffling is done open. No idea how to cheat.

Any about the niu niu variant how?
niuniuking
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September 3rd, 2020 at 8:08:05 AM permalink
Also this thread is incomplete without including odds for super niu niu where they pay one to 13 on niu niu
niuniuking
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September 10th, 2020 at 6:41:19 PM permalink
I lost again at additional one casino. 20 units after 8 hours of total play. Still no idea how they do it
tomchina123
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November 19th, 2020 at 11:35:22 AM permalink
the cheating of niuniu is like this: The camera reads the cards, then the casino controls the dice to determine which box to deal the card first. one way to check if cheating, is to check if the dice is magnetic.

Quote: Wizard

1. State in advance what you are testing for.
2. Gather evidence.
3. Analyze evidence.

Wizard
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November 19th, 2020 at 5:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: tomchina123

the cheating of niuniu is like this: The camera reads the cards, then the casino controls the dice to determine which box to deal the card first. one way to check if cheating, is to check if the dice is magnetic.

Time for the next step -- gather evidence.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
StuBod
Joined: Dec 25, 2020
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December 25th, 2020 at 12:53:01 PM permalink
Hi Wizard.
Gotta say I'm a huge fan, I've used your figures all my career, I owe you a beer one day.
Anyway, I now work with Quintonsa and I used your figures to work out niu niu, I just needed the frequency and the rest was easy. Normally the game is played where the player loses all bets if he doesn't get king high or better, no matter if the dealers hand is smaller. All higher hands are played as basically a coin toss, player gets niu niu, he wins even money on ante bet and odds on double bet, if dealer gets niu niu player loses same amount as if he had won. I changed our game to make all hands live but player ante only gets paid 1 to 2 on winning niu7. I made that to be 2.54% to the house, from your figures. I also put a bonus based on certain hands and the Chinese love it. Anyone wanting info please contact me, I'll give for free as wizard has always done the same.
My question now is: if I were to deal this game from a 5 deck shoe, would I have to adjust the math, I.e. Does niu niu still come 7.38% of the hands? If the math is the same this way is better as less shuffling, more hands per hour.
niuniuking
Joined: Jul 11, 2020
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December 30th, 2020 at 7:32:50 AM permalink
The more I play at further two more casinos the more I lose! Absolutely no idea how they do it though we are supposed to be positive EV!

I tested the dice. You know you can pick one choice, either cut card or shake dice. So I shake dice by first lifting the cup then shake. Sometimes I open it at the end flicked. It rolls to a different number. So different beginning positions.

Some or many casinos have dice which has no covers so you can see them rolling normally.

I thought about the cards, seen carefully no cameras a where to be found. The cards are stacked so very difficult to have scanners to tell them apart.

No idea I just keep losing.

Quote: tomchina123

the cheating of niuniu is like this: The camera reads the cards, then the casino controls the dice to determine which box to deal the card first. one way to check if cheating, is to check if the dice is magnetic.

AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
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December 31st, 2020 at 12:25:00 AM permalink
Quote: niuniuking

The more I play at further two more casinos the more I lose! Absolutely no idea how they do it though we are supposed to be positive EV!

I tested the dice. You know you can pick one choice, either cut card or shake dice. So I shake dice by first lifting the cup then shake. Sometimes I open it at the end flicked. It rolls to a different number. So different beginning positions.

Some or many casinos have dice which has no covers so you can see them rolling normally.

I thought about the cards, seen carefully no cameras a where to be found. The cards are stacked so very difficult to have scanners to tell them apart.

No idea I just keep losing.

Quote: niuniuking

I lost again at additional one casino. 20 units after 8 hours of total play. Still no idea how they do it

Quote: niuniuking