Quick Quad Payback

My Illinois casino is in the process of making almost all of its video poker unplayable. Included is quarter single play Quick Quads, in which 9/6 DDB has been reduced to 9/5 and 9/6 Jacks has been reduced to 8/5. When I checked the effect on payback I was surprised to learn that DDB was reduced by about 1.7% and Jacks was reduced by about 1.9%.

My question is how is the reduction fairly equal when DDB only has flushes reduced by one increment while Jacks has both full houses and flushes reduced by one increment each? In regular non-quick quad versions of these games the change seems to be a uniform 1.1% per increment change in full houses, flushes, and straights. What is it about quick quads that causes the payback changes to vary so much from this?

Quote: RiverRat

My Illinois casino is in the process of making almost all of its video poker unplayable. Included is quarter single play Quick Quads, in which 9/6 DDB has been reduced to 9/5 and 9/6 Jacks has been reduced to 8/5. When I checked the effect on payback I was surprised to learn that DDB was reduced by about 1.7% and Jacks was reduced by about 1.9%.

My question is how is the reduction fairly equal when DDB only has flushes reduced by one increment while Jacks has both full houses and flushes reduced by one increment each? In regular non-quick quad versions of these games the change seems to be a uniform 1.1% per increment change in full houses, flushes, and straights. What is it about quick quads that causes the payback changes to vary so much from this?

It might be, because you hold 3 to a flush more often if they add up to a QQ hand, and so you will get more flushes.

For example, you hold 9h 8h Ah, or some others, only if they're suited, because 2 more 9's will give you a QQ. But you also have 10 more hearts, for outs to a flush. Ordinarily you would only hold the Ace in either game.

Did they maintain the same quad paybacks on the DDB? The WOO page shows 52 for regular quads on the 9/6 game, but only 50 on the 9/5.

Thanks for the replies. And sorry for the delay--I forgot how to log in. I never played QQDDB, so never noticed the quad payouts. But that would help explain the greater than expected drop in the value of the game.

Also hadn't thought of the effect of three card flush holds with QQ potential on the value of flushes in the pay schedule. That has to contribute too, although my perception, albeit subjective, is that flushes and full houses in QQ appear at about the same frequency as they do in standard VP.

Thanks again for the replies.

Wouldn't full houses appear less often in quick quads as 66633 is a quick quad, not a full house? 88844, 444,22, as well

Quote: billryan

Wouldn't full houses appear less often in quick quads as 66633 is a quick quad, not a full house? 88844, 444,22, as well

Yes. The hands you indicate (pluss 222AA and TTT550) are not full houses in QQ.

But also the strategy changes. From 4433A, instead of holding 4433 as you would in a "normal" game, in many quick quad games you hold 443A. In QQ variations where two pair pays double, from that same hand you hold 4433.