June 17th, 2017 at 7:48:07 AM
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In 243ways game,I tried to calculate every symbol as scatter, and got rtp = 95.2739377%.

However, the actual rtp is about 114%.

What can be my mistake?

However, the actual rtp is about 114%.

What can be my mistake?

June 17th, 2017 at 9:14:17 AM
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Maybe provide some reel strips and your calculation for at least one of the symbols.

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June 17th, 2017 at 11:09:19 AM
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Also how do you know the answer is supposed to be 114%? Slot machines aren't usually programmed to return more money than they take in.

June 17th, 2017 at 11:30:48 PM
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I try to use 3*5 reels, every reel contain 32 symbols, and I look on all the trios- for every symbol I count the trios it appears in.

For example: Symbol "1" found 2 times in the first reel, and there is one wild adjacent to one of the "1"s, so I count the 7 trios contain "1" or wild, and count 2 more for the trios that contain both.

for symbol "1":

Reel 1: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 2: 3 + 1 wild

Reel 3: 1 + 1 wild

Reel 4: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 5: 3 + 1 wild

so the probability to have five "1"s in a line is 9*12*6*9*12/32^5

For example: Symbol "1" found 2 times in the first reel, and there is one wild adjacent to one of the "1"s, so I count the 7 trios contain "1" or wild, and count 2 more for the trios that contain both.

for symbol "1":

Reel 1: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 2: 3 + 1 wild

Reel 3: 1 + 1 wild

Reel 4: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 5: 3 + 1 wild

so the probability to have five "1"s in a line is 9*12*6*9*12/32^5

June 18th, 2017 at 3:05:15 AM
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Hi,

I can help you with it. I've done alot of 243 ways games

I can help you with it. I've done alot of 243 ways games

June 18th, 2017 at 3:11:04 AM
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Hi,

I've done a lot of 243 ways slots games. Our product brand is 1S Games / Gamingsoft

243 Lines is different from 243 Ways because if you get single 5-hit for 243 ways , you don't pay anymore 4hit and 3-hit.

You can privately message me at my email address

I've done a lot of 243 ways slots games. Our product brand is 1S Games / Gamingsoft

243 Lines is different from 243 Ways because if you get single 5-hit for 243 ways , you don't pay anymore 4hit and 3-hit.

You can privately message me at my email address

June 18th, 2017 at 3:44:50 AM
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Quote:thegamblingmathHi,

I've done a lot of 243 ways slots games. Our product brand is 1S Games / Gamingsoft

243 Lines is different from 243 Ways because if you get single 5-hit for 243 ways , you don't pay anymore 4hit and 3-hit.

You can privately message me at my email address

I reduced the superfluous 4 and 3 hits. But still I *underestimate* the actual rtp. It means there are some hits that I don't count probably.

June 18th, 2017 at 3:48:28 AM
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I can give you online tutorial or send you a sample math model for 243ways or send me your math design so i can check where you made a mistake.

June 18th, 2017 at 4:07:03 AM
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Quote:thegamblingmathI can give you online tutorial or send you a sample math model for 243ways or send me your math design so i can check where you made a mistake.

I would love to see an online tutorial or sample math model, thanks

June 18th, 2017 at 5:15:47 AM
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Quote:or.shohatI try to use 3*5 reels, every reel contain 32 symbols, and I look on all the trios- for every symbol I count the trios it appears in.

For example: Symbol "1" found 2 times in the first reel, and there is one wild adjacent to one of the "1"s, so I count the 7 trios contain "1" or wild, and count 2 more for the trios that contain both.

for symbol "1":

Reel 1: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 2: 3 + 1 wild

Reel 3: 1 + 1 wild

Reel 4: 2 + 1 wild

Reel 5: 3 + 1 wild

so the probability to have five "1"s in a line is 9*12*6*9*12/32^5

This is correct. If you have mistakes, it is with 3 and 4 of a kind, because those depend on the layout of the reels.

In your case, for 4 of a kind, you probably calculated 9*12*6*9*20, but 20 is only correct if the symbol doesn't appear within 2 positions of the wild or itself.

Another issue is having wilds on the first reel. This is very problematic in multi way games. If 5 wilds appear, do you pay 5 of a kind for all of your symbols?

Again, how do you know the correct RTP that you are comparing to?

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