or.shohat
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June 17th, 2017 at 7:48:07 AM permalink
In 243ways game,I tried to calculate every symbol as scatter, and got rtp = 95.2739377%.
However, the actual rtp is about 114%.

What can be my mistake?
CrystalMath
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June 17th, 2017 at 9:14:17 AM permalink
Maybe provide some reel strips and your calculation for at least one of the symbols.
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:09:19 AM permalink
Also how do you know the answer is supposed to be 114%? Slot machines aren't usually programmed to return more money than they take in.
or.shohat
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June 17th, 2017 at 11:30:48 PM permalink
I try to use 3*5 reels, every reel contain 32 symbols, and I look on all the trios- for every symbol I count the trios it appears in.
For example: Symbol "1" found 2 times in the first reel, and there is one wild adjacent to one of the "1"s, so I count the 7 trios contain "1" or wild, and count 2 more for the trios that contain both.

for symbol "1":
Reel 1: 2 + 1 wild
Reel 2: 3 + 1 wild
Reel 3: 1 + 1 wild
Reel 4: 2 + 1 wild
Reel 5: 3 + 1 wild

so the probability to have five "1"s in a line is 9*12*6*9*12/32^5
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:05:15 AM permalink
Hi,

I can help you with it. I've done alot of 243 ways games
thegamblingmath
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:11:04 AM permalink
Hi,

I've done a lot of 243 ways slots games. Our product brand is 1S Games / Gamingsoft

243 Lines is different from 243 Ways because if you get single 5-hit for 243 ways , you don't pay anymore 4hit and 3-hit.

You can privately message me at my email address
or.shohat
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:44:50 AM permalink
Quote: thegamblingmath

Hi,

I've done a lot of 243 ways slots games. Our product brand is 1S Games / Gamingsoft

243 Lines is different from 243 Ways because if you get single 5-hit for 243 ways , you don't pay anymore 4hit and 3-hit.

You can privately message me at my email address



I reduced the superfluous 4 and 3 hits. But still I *underestimate* the actual rtp. It means there are some hits that I don't count probably.
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June 18th, 2017 at 3:48:28 AM permalink
I can give you online tutorial or send you a sample math model for 243ways or send me your math design so i can check where you made a mistake.
or.shohat
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June 18th, 2017 at 4:07:03 AM permalink
Quote: thegamblingmath

I can give you online tutorial or send you a sample math model for 243ways or send me your math design so i can check where you made a mistake.



I would love to see an online tutorial or sample math model, thanks
CrystalMath
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June 18th, 2017 at 5:15:47 AM permalink
Quote: or.shohat

I try to use 3*5 reels, every reel contain 32 symbols, and I look on all the trios- for every symbol I count the trios it appears in.
For example: Symbol "1" found 2 times in the first reel, and there is one wild adjacent to one of the "1"s, so I count the 7 trios contain "1" or wild, and count 2 more for the trios that contain both.

for symbol "1":
Reel 1: 2 + 1 wild
Reel 2: 3 + 1 wild
Reel 3: 1 + 1 wild
Reel 4: 2 + 1 wild
Reel 5: 3 + 1 wild

so the probability to have five "1"s in a line is 9*12*6*9*12/32^5



This is correct. If you have mistakes, it is with 3 and 4 of a kind, because those depend on the layout of the reels.

In your case, for 4 of a kind, you probably calculated 9*12*6*9*20, but 20 is only correct if the symbol doesn't appear within 2 positions of the wild or itself.

Another issue is having wilds on the first reel. This is very problematic in multi way games. If 5 wilds appear, do you pay 5 of a kind for all of your symbols?

Again, how do you know the correct RTP that you are comparing to?
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or.shohat
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June 18th, 2017 at 7:07:14 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath



Thanks for the answers.

I know Approximately the rtp by running a script 100K times.

Anyway I think I finally found my mistake- it was related to the scatter symbol.
skygames
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July 14th, 2017 at 9:02:41 PM permalink
Hello. Can you give me your email. I want discuss with you about 243ways slots.
Thank you.
skygames
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July 15th, 2017 at 3:16:12 PM permalink
Quote: or.shohat

I know Approximately the rtp by running a script 100K times.


100K times is not enough for get correct RTP. Maby it will be correct if you use small reels and 4-5 symbols in your math model, but im not sure.
lovefly59420
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January 17th, 2018 at 4:56:00 PM permalink
Hi!
Now, I learn to calculate the 243 ways slot,
but i make some mistake.
Can you give online tutorial and sample math model for 243ways.
I desire to learn slot math.
Thank you
Aldertree
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August 3rd, 2018 at 5:50:09 PM permalink
Hi, can you send me tutorial about 243ways RTP and SD calculation? I’d love to learn
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August 3rd, 2018 at 8:19:52 PM permalink
I show the formulas in a fairly recent Ask the Wizard column.
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playhard123
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December 26th, 2018 at 12:44:22 PM permalink
I need also online tutorial or sample math model for this. Thank you in advance.
playhard123
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December 26th, 2018 at 12:49:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I show the formulas in a fairly recent Ask the Wizard column.


I can not find these formulas.
son.dinh
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January 7th, 2019 at 8:33:32 PM permalink
Hi you,

I am reseaching for 243 Way Slot . You can help me , send for me online tutorial or sample math model. Thank you very much.
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