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June 13th, 2015 at 6:28:07 AM permalink
Anyone out there can solve this equation :-

sin(80)/sin(40)=sin(160-x)/sin(x)
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June 13th, 2015 at 6:53:14 AM permalink
Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram
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June 13th, 2015 at 6:56:19 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram



I did it by hand. I got the same result.


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June 13th, 2015 at 7:01:27 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram



Went. Looked. Awesome. But, also, "how do you cure hiccups" is showing as a related search. I remember being told in highschool that trig was like magic. But, really now...?
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:05:43 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram




So, what is the answer ?

x=30 ?? :=)
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:13:51 AM permalink
Quote: ssho88

Quote: teliot

Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram




So, what is the answer ?

x=30 ?? :=)

If you want an approximate answer, use the fact that Sin(x) is about equal to x - x^3/6, plug in your values and solve the cubic. (But, convert to radians first.)
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:17:32 AM permalink
Quote: ssho88

So, what is the answer ? x=30 ?? :=)

Visually looking at the graph, it looks like about 2.8 radians, which is about equal to 160 degrees, oddly.
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:17:37 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Quote: ssho88

Quote: teliot

Assuming degrees (and converting to radians),

Here is the solution from Wolfram




So, what is the answer ?

x=30 ?? :=)

If you want an approximate answer, use the fact that Sin(x) is about equal to x - x^3/6, plug in your values and solve the cubic. (But, convert to radians first.)




How to prove that x=30(degrees) ?
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:25:05 AM permalink
Quote: ssho88

I want the exact answer

If you just use Sin(A-B) = Sin(A)Cos(B) - Sin(B)Cos(A) you easily get an answer involving arctan. I probably made an error, but what I got was

arctan(Sin(160)/[(Sin(80)/Sin(40)) + Cos(160)])

In my opinion, that is an exact answer.
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:28:27 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

If you just use Sin(A-B) = Sin(A)Cos(B) - Sin(B)Cos(A) you easily get an answer involving arctan. I probably made an error, but what I got was

arctan(Sin(160)/[(Sin(80)/Sin(40)) + Cos(160)])

In my opinion, that is an exact answer.



I have simplified it to, tan(x) = sin(20)/[2*cos(40)-cos(20)]

x= arctan(sin(20)/[2*cos(40)-cos(20)]) ?
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:34:12 AM permalink
I see, you started a new thread about a puzzle in a different thread 8-)
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:37:10 AM permalink
Indeed. And the solution to this formula is "supposed to be" 30 degrees, so that it validates the trig-based answer to the puzzle.

FWIW, the source's instructions (but not the instructions in the puzzle thread) say NOT to use trig, and to use geometry instead.
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:48:28 AM permalink
Quote: ssho88

So, what is the answer ?



Who cares. This is the math forum. It is sufficient that an answer exists and is unique. Furthermore WolframAlpha gives you an exact expression... who would you ever need more ? :)
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:48:47 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Indeed. And the solution to this formula is "supposed to be" 30 degrees, so that it validates the trig-based answer to the puzzle.

FWIW, the source's instructions (but not the instructions in the puzzle thread) say NOT to use trig, and to use geometry instead.



Could you please show me the source's instructions ?
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:51:16 AM permalink
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Could you please show me the source's instructions ?



You may use only elementary geometry, such as the fact that the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees and the basic congruent triangle rules (side-angle-side, etc.). You may not use trigonomery, such as sines and cosines, the law of sines, the law of cosines, etc.]
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June 13th, 2015 at 10:32:21 AM permalink
...this thread smells like homework.
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