Flopping trips in texas holdem and kickers

Hello,
I took a hiatus from holdem for a while and then got busted out my second hand of the other night! It was a 9 player table, 4 people including myself paid to see the flop for the big blind only. I had K8. The flop came 898. My first question is, what are the odds that two people hit trips on the flop (each holding only one card of the trips in our hands)? The other player ended up pushing and I was crushed with A8. Considering I was out-kicked by the only possible higher card, can you give me the specific odds of having that happen? Thank you

Don't forget that someone could have also held 9-9 or 9-8 to beat you.

Quote: slyther

Don't forget that someone could have also held 9-9 or 9-8 to beat you.

ChrisMiami also doesn't mention the turn and river cards, which apparently were bricks, but could have helped someone make a straight, flush, or FH for either him or the player he went all-in against. So those hands would have to be isolated out of the calculation as well. He also didn't mention whether the 9 was suited with either 8.

Having said that, and not trusting my combinatorial skills to give him a completely accurate answer, I would still think his situation would be in the 10% range of hands he would lose. Out of 18 cards dealt to players, 2 were 8's with a strong kicker, so pre-flop action might have knocked one or both out, but the limp-in provided room for both hands to see the flop. At that point, both trip 8's are sure to stay, and most others would get out of the way. Considering what he knew at that point, there were 4 aces and 3 nines that could beat him in the other player's hand, assuming he read the other player had the case 8, and not considering the river or turn. Still a good bet, but not the nuts.

Yeah, this question does leave out a lot of information, but if the basic question is, how unlikely is it for me to not have the best hand after the flop, I don't know the combinatorials or whatever, but it would seem that the applicable hands would be ...

99 (six possible combinations)
A8 (8)
K8 (6)

... so 20 combinations out of however many. Whatever the odds are, they're probably pretty long, so yeah, it was somewhat unlucky and if my validation makes you feel better, so be it.

That being said, I think that busting out was not so much unlucky but bad reading/playing on your part, which was very avoidable. Plenty of people who flop second-best monsters are able to sniff it out.

Quote: MrWarmth

Yeah, this question does leave out a lot of information, but if the basic question is, how unlikely is it for me to not have the best hand after the flop, I don't know the combinatorials or whatever, but it would seem that the applicable hands would be ...

99 (six possible combinations)
A8 (8)
K8 (6)

... so 20 combinations out of however many. Whatever the odds are, they're probably pretty long, so yeah, it was somewhat unlucky and if my validation makes you feel better, so be it.

That being said, I think that busting out was not so much unlucky but bad reading/playing on your part, which was very avoidable. Plenty of people who flop second-best monsters are able to sniff it out.

BBB, You can't play Holdem worrying about straight flushes all the time. You can be cautious in some situations. But if you avoid jamming the pot in fear of someone getting one you will cost yourself


MrWarmth, it's Very rare someone gets away from k8 with a 898 flop, "bad reading, that's ridiculous. it's very unlucky and rarely avoidable.

99 would be the main concern for him, A8 as well. then 89 ss

. Depending on how the other 2 guys played, they might have played A9 aggressively or had 1010-AA. KK and AA unlikely since I assume no pre flop raise but someone may try to limp from early with kk /AA looking for a late raise .

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BBB, You can't play Holdem worrying about straight flushes all the time. You can be cautious in some situations. But if you avoid jamming the pot in fear of someone getting one you will cost yourself


MrWarmth, it's Very rare someone gets away from k8 with a 898 flop, "bad reading, that's ridiculous. it's very unlucky and rarely avoidable.

99 would be the main concern for him, A8 as well. then 89 ss

. Depending on how the other 2 guys played, they might have played A9 aggressively or had 1010-AA. KK and AA unlikely since I assume no pre flop raise but someone may try to limp from early with kk /AA looking for a late raise .

Axel,

I wasn't worried about SF; I think he made a good bet, that he loses only about 10% of the time. He lost this time; he wins the next 9.

Thanks everyone for your input. I was last to act and the player with A8 did check on the flop. The flop came with 2 hearts. (I admit the K8 off-suit was weak to play, but it was only my second hand in, $2, with no one acting interested, I said why not?). I bet the pot in last position (only $8). The blinds folded, the A8 just called. He then bet $12 on the turn when a 4 hit. (strange). I raised to $30 thinking he might have had a pocket over pair; he went all in and I followed with my remaining $50. At the end there was no flush possibility. The turn came a 4, and the river a J. So the straight did hit, but we were both all in after the turn anyway. My K8 was not suited, the other guys cards were not suited. I would have guessed the other player had hit a boat before I would have guessed he had the case 8 with the only higher kicker. If that helps get any specific odds, cool; but yes I think it suffices to say the odds of losing to that hand were slim.

Sometimes there's a hand that has your name on it for going broke. I guess if you're very good at reading you might get out of some, but flopping trips is difficult to get away from. The only thing in this case is everyone limped, so it's possible someone at a tight table could have A8 (say suited) or (more likely) 98.

I'm sure we all have stories - one I remember was when holding K2 the flop is K52 and I go broke against K5. That's life!