Tipping the dealers in ultimate texas holdem.
Quote: Lemieux66Why do you tip in games where the dealer can't do anything for you? Some say tip in BJ for better penetration. But why bother in other table games?
Basic human decency in return for services provided.
The only excuse not to tip is bad service.
My guess is that casinos who implement policies like the one you mention are trying to discourage tipping so more money can go in the tray. A pretty crappy business practice, in my opinion.
Quote: NareedBasic human decency in return for services provided.
The only excuse not to tip is bad service.
Nonsense. It just creates more of a HE.
Quote: Lemieux66Nonsense. It just creates more of a HE.
Forum rules preclude me from asnwering the way you deserve. Also we should not highjack the thread this early in its life-cycle. So I won't ask whether you tip the cocktail waitress either.
Quote: NareedForum rules preclude me from asnwering the way you deserve. Also we should not highjack the thread this early in its life-cycle. So I won't ask whether you tip the cocktail waitress either.
I absolutely do tip the cocktail waitresses.
Oh and I'm not trying to hijack the thread. Just telling him that he should give them nothing and be content with that.
Quote: Lemieux66Just telling him that he should give them nothing and be content with that.
And again forum rules preclude me from asnwering the way you deserve.
Yea But how often dose this happen?Quote: richbailey86Etiquette? Thankfulness? If i win 1k on a roulette wheel I throw the dealer 50
Don't mind tipping, I just hate when people expect it. Some casino dealers don't even say thank you. I better get a thank you 90% of the time.
Quote: AxelWolfYea But how often dose this happen?
Don't mind tipping, I just hate when people expect it. Some casino dealers don't even say thank you. I better get a thank you 90% of the time.
O yea. Better say thanks
4 times for me, that has happened. Lol
Quote: NareedAnd again forum rules preclude me from asnwering the way you deserve.
I'm just trying to save you money. Most of these people also deal blackjack as well. You can tip them there if you're counting and they're giving good pen.
Other people deserve money. Cocktail waitresses do. You tip them so they won't give you bad service. These big HE table game dealers are dealing the same either way. It's cold but it's logical.
Quote: Lemieux66I'm just trying to save you money.
As an ardent capitalist and zealous defender of the free market, let me tell you this: some things are more important than money.
Quote: NareedAs an ardent capitalist and zealous defender of the free market, let me tell you this: some things are more important than money.
So just give them compliments.
Quote: Lemieux66Why do you tip in games where the dealer can't do anything for you? Some say tip in BJ for better penetration. But why bother in other table games?
Wow, are you the only person that doesn't tip at the poker table too?
Quote: tringlomaneWow, are you the only person that doesn't tip at the poker table too?
I tip at the poker table. But show me that thread.
Quote: Lemieux66
Other people deserve money. Cocktail waitresses do. You tip them so they won't give you bad service. .
So you only tip people who have the option of giving you good or bad service, and not someone who has no choice but to do his/her job one way and the right way??
Quote: michael99000So you only tip people who have the option of giving you good or bad service, and not someone who has no choice but to do his/her job one way and the right way??
Absolutely.
No wonder we complain about surly dealers. Brilliant.
Quote: PaigowdanIn other words, you stiff the people who are stuck at the table serving you, as opposed to those who can come and go with at least some leeway.
No wonder we complain about surly dealers. Brilliant.
Well stop playing Paigow. You'll be PokerDan or BlackjackDan or even CocktailServerDan!
I had one recently in ac who was so nasty to me on roulette. Minimum was 10 and I had 5 one 1 dozen 5 on another dozen and she screamed that I needed at least 10 on each
Quote: PaigowdanIn other words, you stiff the people who are stuck at the table serving you, as opposed to those who can come and go with at least some leeway.
No wonder we complain about surly dealers. Brilliant.
As usual with Dan's posts, this one is worth repeating.
Alas, forum rules prohibit me to tell what I think you are.Quote: NareedAs an ardent capitalist and zealous defender of the free market, ...
In a good (non-capitalist) society, the dealers are paid by their employers. In your so-called 'free' market, they are exploited and it is up to us players to compensate for the owner's greed.
Ridiculous!Quote: PaigowdanNo wonder we complain about surly dealers. Brilliant.
Tips are pooled, so you are rewarding bad mood dealers at the same rate as good mood ones. No incentive whatsoever.
Quote: kubikulannAlas, forum rules prohibit me to tell what I think you are.
You missed the point.
Yeah! Never pass on a good laugh.Quote: NareedAs usual with Dan's posts, this one is worth repeating.
Quote: kubikulannAlas, forum rules prohibit me to tell what I think you are.
In a good (non-capitalist) society, the dealers are paid by their employers. In your so-called 'free' market, they are exploited and it is up to us players to compensate for the owner's greed.
Which is where the players' generosity, cooperation - or stinginess shows itself. A gambling hall's stinginess doesn't justify anyone else's cheapness, it's a lame excuse. I'm up or not, if I leave with some money, I throw some nickels in for the time spent at the table with a working dealer. Other's behavior and POV is immaterial.
No. My point was that saying 'rules forbid' is a devious way of insulting someone.Quote: NareedYou missed the point.
Sure enough. I tip whenever solidarity is called for. I even give to hoodlums each time I step out of the casino, because I have been gambling what they sorely need.Quote: PaigowdanWhich is where the players' generosity, cooperation - or stinginess shows itself. A gambling hall's stinginess doesn't justify anyone else's cheapness, it's a lame excuse. I'm up or not, if I leave with some money, I throw some nickels in for the time spent at the table with a working dealer. Other's behavior and POV is immaterial.
I was just biting at the "capitalist free market" comment. I certainly encourage solidarity. But when capitalist exploiters count on my wallet to justify their stinginess, I feel cheated and exploited as well.
On the other hand, in a place where people are advocating AP, I find it funny that they spend the small advantage on tipping.
I once saw a lady who, each time she had a blackjack, gave the extra 50% gain as a tip. What the heck? Why play blackjack at all if you spend your earnings?
So, yes, you must keep an eye on your HE and not tip more than warranted by your expectations.
Quote: kubikulannSure enough. I tip whenever solidarity is called for. I even give to hoodlums each time I step out of the casino, because I have been gambling what they sorely need.
I was just biting at the "capitalist free market" comment. I certainly encourage solidarity.
On the other hand, in a place where people are advocating AP, I find it funny that they spend the small advantage on tipping.
Not everyone is an AP, and being an AP is not always synonymous to being a cheapskate, even if using an occasional tip as cover.
Quote: kubikulannI once saw a lady who, each time she had a blackjack, gave the extra 50% gain as a tip. What the heck? Why play blackjack at all if you spend your earnings?
The philosophy is that you tip from your earnings IF you tip, which is a big "if" around here. Like I said, not everyone tips, and both sides - tippers and non-tippers - have their rationales. Tippers and stiffs owe each other no explanation.
The best tip I've given was $40 to a slot tech for a promotion where I could not lose, and she almost welled up to tears and hugged me. I didn't realize how cheap most people are with tipping, and this was probably her weekly toke all at once. When people are appreciative it makes me happy to spread some money around if I'm winning. This was at a locals casino which probably never saw the type of action we were running, therefore most people probably don't toke at all unless it was a massive windfall. Too bad they 86ed me =\
Since when is Dan's post worth repeating? Notice he said, dealer is STUCK serving you? Really stuck? Thank god you have a job, do your job and and everything will work out right. Dealers are paid well, considering what they do.Quote: NareedAs usual with Dan's posts, this one is worth repeating.
Seriously, thank god you have a job, if you don't like A-hole stiffs, GET A NEW CAREER.
I'm not in favor of stiffing but don't criticize people who do.
This may be why Lex is getting heat at the casinos and his comps taken. Some pissed off pit boss in love with an employee is mad at lex because has not taken care of her in the past.
Most of the other stiffers have a pathetic bankroll.
Quote: AxelWolfSince when is Dan's post worth repeating? Notice he said, dealer is STUCK serving you? Really stuck? Thank god you have a job, do your job and and everything will work out right. Dealers are paid well, considering what they do.
Seriously, thank god you have a job, if you don't like A-hole stiffs, GET A NEW CAREER.
I'm not in favor of stiffing but don't criticize people who do.
This may be why Lex is getting heat at the casinos and his comps taken. Some pissed off pit boss in love with an employee is mad at lex because has not taken care of her in the past.
Most of the other stiffers have a pathetic bankroll.
I assume you mean me lol
I tip blackjack dealers at the end if I win. Usually five dollars. When I won 2k at trop two weeks ago I gave her 25 believe it or not.
Quote: AxelWolfSince when is Dan's post worth repeating? Notice he said, dealer is STUCK serving you? Really stuck? Thank god you have a job, do your job and and everything will work out right. Dealers are paid well, considering what they do.
I dealt for years, and it is the participation in the gaming industry that makes it worthwhile despite bad people on both sides of the table; every industry that deals with the general public sees both good and bad, with both the good and the bad always justifying their position, sometimes very vociferously. Forget about what waiters say on their forums. the few good people who make it worthwhile make the difference, and one doesn't need to be part of this good group.
Quote: AxelwolfSeriously, thank god you have a job, if you don't like A-hole stiffs, GET A NEW CAREER.
1. "Thank God you have a job." This is very easy to say, as it's the "difficult people" who make the job less thankful. Same with every industry that caters to the general public. People don't always quit their jobs because of some bad apples. (They might stay and kill your comps, as seems to have happened. Why give them a chance?)
2. Many dealers who can do it, do get new careers in offices.
Quote: AxelwolfI'm not in favor of stiffing but don't criticize people who do.
A lack of consideration to the workers serving us is being discussed here, and not every opinion here is that it is righteous to be less than considerate to service providers.
Quote: AxelwolfThis may be why Lex is getting heat at the casinos and his comps taken. Some pissed off pit boss in love with an employee is mad at lex because has not taken care of her in the past.
There is an old saying that "You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." I tip both dealers and cocktail waitresses with red, occasionally green, and I have never had a problem with service, courtesy, or comps. People are people, and patience and consideration and good attitude is appreciated everywhere, and is generally rewarded everywhere.
Quote: PaigowdanI dealt for years, and it is the participation in the gaming industry that makes it worthwhile despite bad people on both sides of the table; every industry that deals with the general public sees both good and bad, with both the good and the bad always justifying their position, sometimes very vociferously. Forget about what waiters say on their forums. the few good people who make it worthwhile make the difference, and one doesn't need to be part of this good group.
1. "Thank God you have a job." This is very easy to say, as it's the "difficult people" who make the job less thankful. Same with every industry that caters to the general public. People don't always quit their jobs because of some bad apples.
2. Many dealers who can do it, do get new careers in offices.
A lack of consideration to the workers serving us is being discussed here, and not every opinion here is that it is righteous to be less than considerate to service providers.
There is an old saying that "You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." I tip both dealers and cocktail waitresses with red, occasionally green, and I have never had a problem with service, courtesy, or comps. People are people, and patience and consideration and good attitude is appreciated everywhere, and is generally rewarded everywhere.
So you gamble for entertainment? You certainly don't gamble for profit since you're giving all this money away.
Quote: Lemieux66So you gamble for entertainment? You certainly don't gamble for profit since you're giving all this money away.
I gamble for entertainment. This is a surreal point of view around here.
If I win, I'm happy to have had my action, and if I don't win, I'm happy to have had my action, either way. I don't gamble what I can't afford, and neither do I take vacations I can't afford, or any other form of entertainment I can't afford. Budgeting in my life works, I don't need to play a casino game as an expected source of profit in my life. I play because it is a part of my life that I enjoy, -- indeed, I cannot picture it without gambling.
If I gambled for profit, I'd be a real salmon participating in a fool's endeavor, or someone who's going to eventually enter the black book and be backed-off and ended. I leave at my limit or if I'm up a good bit, then catch a show or dinner.
I worked with a lot of people who used to AP, now they're gaming company employees or protection experts. I notice this. So no, tipping doesn't cut into my expected profits if I don't expect profits. I expect service, and they expect me to tip, and we're in agreement.
Quote: PaigowdanI gamble for entertainment. This is a surreal point of view around here.
If I win, I'm happy to have had my action, and if I don't win, I'm happy to have had my action, either way. I don't gamble what I can't afford, and neither do I take vacations I can't afford, or any other form of entertainment I can't afford. Budgeting in my life works, I don't need to play a casino game as an expected source of profit in my life. I play because it is a part of my life that I enjoy, -- indeed, I cannot picture it without gambling.
If I gambled for profit, I'd be a real salmon participating in a fool's endeavor, or someone who's going to eventually enter the black book and be backed-off and ended. I leave at my limit or if I'm up a good bit, then catch a show or dinner.
I worked with a lot of people who used to AP, now they're gaming company employees or protection experts. I notice this. So no, tipping doesn't cut into my expected profits if I don't expect profits. I expect service, and they expect me to tip, and we're in agreement.
Oh. Well that's fine then. As long as I know what you're there for I can't complain.
You tip Cocktails red or better every drink? You much not order a lot or drinks or play often. I over tip cocktails but not that much. Mission would have been broke if he did that his last trip.Quote: Paigowdan
There is an old saying that "You get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." I tip both dealers and cocktail waitresses with red, occasionally green,
I probably over tip casino employees over all. I just don't like how casino employees feel entitled. Why shouldn't my local Walmart cashier get tips? She takes my coupons price matches items bags my stiff? Why not the butcher? Why not the deli girl who gives me samples of each things I ask for and then slices my meat, cheese to the perfect thickness then gives me a pound of whatever while wrapping it up nice? Why not the Home depot guy who tells me the right tool to get and helps me find it? Why are casino employees more deserving especially if i'm playing a -EV game where they give me zero value? They should be tipping the players for giving them work, no one needs to gamble.
Quote: AxelWolfYou tip Cocktails red or better every drink? You much not order a lot or drinks or play often. I over tip cocktails but not that much. Mission would have been broke if he did that his last trip.
Let's say I buy-in for $400. Three drinks are $15. With great service. From coffee, Virgin Marys, to a double Absolute with soda on the side. Other players are either shamed or impressed, and so follow suit, and tip $2 or $3; waitress gives SUPER-service to the table AND fetches comped cigarettes. The dealer gets 20 white bets on trips or the new Pocket Bonus (UTH/HUH), or Bonus bet on EZpg or Emperor's Challenge, or pass line $1 with $5 odds, and a dollar all the hardways, player control and parlay that for the dealers. Dealers drops $45+ and cocktail waitress gets $15 or $20 from me, and double that from other players via "monkey-see monkey do" generosity, especially if the table is hot. No problem with non-tippers, as no comment is ever said by anyone, - do as you like, at the tables is not "at the forum." I leave UP $340 instead of $400 if I hit a streak or quads or something. or down $300 instead of $240. Enough people do that and the dealers make $80-$100 a night instead of $30 a night and a good non-strip place. And a steakhouse comp of some sort usually every other session. Once a week no problem. You can argue that I live in a condo instead of a house, which is true, but a nice condo. Now.....
You go see the Blue Man Group at the Monte Carlo and then go to Sergio's for dinner, and you'd send MORE money with NO chance of winning. And it's all entertainment.
Quote: AxelWolfI probably over tip casino employees over all. I just don't like how casino employees feel entitled.
Because the BULK of dealer income is/should be tips, as it's MINIMUM WAGE plus tips. Do waiters feel entitled? Most dealers do NOT worry about tips, and that they'd be crazy and foolish to do so. Worry about or stress tips, the dealer just kills it all off, - now, to provide service without noticing tips, thanking people when they (tips) do happen, - then tips take care of themselves. The Zen dealer generates tips by virtue of his bearing.
Quote: AxelRoseWhy shouldn't my local Walmart cashier get tips? She takes my coupons price matches items bags my stiff? Why not the butcher? Why not the deli girl who gives me samples of each things I ask for and then slices my meat, cheese to the perfect thickness then gives me a pound of whatever while wrapping it up nice? Why not the Home depot guy who tells me the right tool to get and helps me find it? Why are casino employees more deserving especially if i'm playing a -EV game where they give me zero value? They should be tipping the players for giving them work, no one needs to gamble.
Those are non-tipping professions who you see and interact with for just a fleeting moment. If the cashier strolled the aisles with you THEN they'd get tips. Rule of thumb is that if they directly service you for more than 5 or 10 minutes, or do lifting, etc., they should get tipped. I tip plumbers and electricians who present me with an honest bill. I tip valets who return my car without a scratch. I leave tips for the hotel maid. I don't tip cashiers or bank tellers or drive-thru window attendants. I have some tipping rules that I'm happy with. I like good service and happy people servicing me.
Sounds like you have sound reasoning to me. This game they shouldn't get a tip just for the bad advice they give, yes. It's like a lawyer saying you should drive drunk because you probably won't get caught then suing for payment of the bad advice. It's almost like the dealers are running a con. $12.50 you should just give to charity.Quote: GrandpaVegasI seem to have started a big tipping arguement, but you all seemed to miss the point of what I was doing. We all know trips is a bad bet yet the dealers encourage you to bet it so when I get a flush and get paid $37.50 on my blind quarter bet I use the extra $12.50 to tip the dealers by placing a bet for them on trips. Many times the entire 12 hands go by without hitting anything. It is kind of my way to train the dealers to stop encouraging people to bet trips when they see how often it hits when their tip money is riding on it.
The deli guy/girl @ Minimum wage, who slices my meat and cheese perfectly, while giving me a sample and suggestions of each before I decide which one I like best. Then makes sure its not over or under the weight I asked for and wraps it nicely. Spends more time and effort then a cocktail waitress. Please don't tell me the drinks are free. Unless you are playing a +EV game they are not free they are a perk and used as a tool to get people to lose more.Quote: PaigowdanLet's say I buy-in for $400. Three drinks are $15. With great service. From coffee, Virgin Marys, to a double Absolute with soda on the side. Other players are either shamed or impressed, and so follow suit, and tip $2 or $3; waitress gives SUPER-service to the table AND fetches comped cigarettes. The dealer gets 20 white bets on trips or the new Pocket Bonus (UTH/HUH), or Bonus bet on EZpg or Emperor's Challenge, or pass line $1 with $5 odds, and a dollar all the hardways, player control and parlay that for the dealers. Dealers drops $45+ and cocktail waitress gets $15 or $20 from me, and double that from other players via "monkey-see monkey do" generosity, especially if the table is hot. No problem with non-tippers, as no comment is ever said by anyone, - do as you like, at the tables is not "at the forum." I leave UP $340 instead of $400 if I hit a streak or quads or something. or down $300 instead of $240. Enough people do that and the dealers make $80-$100 a night instead of $30 a night and a good non-strip place. And a steakhouse comp of some sort usually every other session. Once a week no problem. You can argue that I live in a condo instead of a house, which is true, but a nice condo. Now.....
You go see the Blue Man Group at the Monte Carlo and then go to Sergio's for dinner, and you'd send MORE money with NO chance of winning. And it's all entertainment.
Because the BULK of dealer income is/should be tips, as it's MINIMUM WAGE plus tips. Do waiters feel entitled? Most dealers do NOT worry about tips, and that they'd be crazy and foolish to do so. Worry about or stress tips, the dealer just kills it all off, - now, to provide service without noticing tips, thanking people when they (tips) do happen, - then tips take care of themselves. The Zen dealer generates tips by virtue of his bearing.
Those are non-tipping professions who you see and interact with for just a fleeting moment. If the cashier strolled the aisles with you THEN they'd get tips. Rule of thumb is that if they directly service you for more than 5 or 10 minutes, or do lifting, etc., they should get tipped. I tip plumbers and electricians who present me with an honest bill. I tip valets who return my car without a scratch. I leave tips for the hotel maid. I don't tip cashiers or bank tellers or drive-thru window attendants. I have some tipping rules that I'm happy with. I like good service and happy people servicing me.
I just don't think casino employees are any more deserving of a tip then any other min wage employee. If anything they are less deserving. For most people they get Zero value from dealers.-EV Entertainment that often times leads to a bad situation and even addictions, sin and criminal activity.
Quote: onenickelmiracleSounds like you have sound reasoning to me. This game they shouldn't get a tip just for the bad advice they give, yes. It's like a lawyer saying you should drive drunk because you probably won't get caught then suing for payment of the bad advice. It's almost like the dealers are running a con. $12.50 you should just give to charity.
Just throwing it out there. Many dealers who encourage action on the side bets probably do so because their management insists on it. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that a dealer who tells a player NOT to play side bets would be reprimanded or even fired.
