mjds001
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:05:01 PM permalink
I know the formula for calculating the house edge of a player who is betting the same amount each round, but I am unsure how to go about calculating the edge for a player who is betting a varying amount. Particularly for a player who is betting based on a counting system. Is this possible to calculate? If there is a method or formula for calculating please share.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:10:28 PM permalink
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I know the formula for calculating the house edge of a player who is betting the same amount each round, but I am unsure how to go about calculating the edge for a player who is betting a varying amount. Particularly for a player who is betting based on a counting system. Is this possible to calculate? If there is a method or formula for calculating please share.



This is usually done by simulation. A closed form solution would be very complicated.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:13:34 PM permalink
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:14:27 PM permalink
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Your advantage or disadvantage has to do with the make up of the remaining cards in the deck(s), not your bet.



I assume that he is looking for a weighted average.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:16:13 PM permalink
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I know the formula for calculating the house edge of a player who is betting the same amount each round, but I am unsure how to go about calculating the edge for a player who is betting a varying amount. Particularly for a player who is betting based on a counting system. Is this possible to calculate? If there is a method or formula for calculating please share.



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mjds001
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:17:25 PM permalink
So when a simulation is used, what would the method be for finding the edge? Also, are there accepted values for the edges for different counting systems under certain playing conditions?
mjds001
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:18:25 PM permalink
zen count is being used
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:21:06 PM permalink
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So when a simulation is used, what would the method be for finding the edge? Also, are there accepted values for the edges for different counting systems under certain playing conditions?



I think that the normal method for finding the edge is to run the simulation many times and see how much was actually won or lost. In other words, the edge is determined experimentally.

Certainly, the literature is full of the results of simulations. I don't know that there is one definitive source. Professional Blackjack is a good start if you are interested in seeing lots of numbers.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:42:45 PM permalink
I understand, thanks for the help.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 2:57:26 PM permalink
Take a look at Qfit.com.
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April 22nd, 2014 at 3:54:12 PM permalink
You can estimate the % of time the deck will present the various counts, and estimate the edge in those situations. Then you can get a weighted average from your chosen bet amounts.

The % of time you are in various counts and edges are probably best obtained by simulation (as noted above), but you can estimate them too.
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