juiciejennie and the Wizard variant of the Nash Equilibrium.
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January 18th, 2014 at 11:43:10 AM
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This post by HB got me to thinking about the Nash Equilibrium. For those unfamiliar with it, please watch the following chip from the movie A Beautiful Mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM
I'd like to submit for the consideration of the forum the "Wizard variant" of the Nash Equilibrium. Let's look at the situation of what would happen if juiciejennie attended the upcoming WoV meet. If the men of the forum didn't plan a strategy in advance, then it would turn into a scene like the episode of the Bang Theory where everybody was hitting on Sheldon's sister at the same time, driving her so crazy that nobody got her and causing us men to get upset.
Nash would suggest that since none of us would get her anybody under a fight to the finish, it would be better to just ignore her. That way we could at least enjoy the meal and not have to take out any rulers for a manhood contest.
Now, let me suggest a variant to that. We randomize who gets to hit on her among those interested. That way at least one of us would have a shot. That could be accomplished a host of ways. To name just one, by drawing cards, high card wins.
The question for the poll is what would you do think should happen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM
I'd like to submit for the consideration of the forum the "Wizard variant" of the Nash Equilibrium. Let's look at the situation of what would happen if juiciejennie attended the upcoming WoV meet. If the men of the forum didn't plan a strategy in advance, then it would turn into a scene like the episode of the Bang Theory where everybody was hitting on Sheldon's sister at the same time, driving her so crazy that nobody got her and causing us men to get upset.
Nash would suggest that since none of us would get her anybody under a fight to the finish, it would be better to just ignore her. That way we could at least enjoy the meal and not have to take out any rulers for a manhood contest.
Now, let me suggest a variant to that. We randomize who gets to hit on her among those interested. That way at least one of us would have a shot. That could be accomplished a host of ways. To name just one, by drawing cards, high card wins.
The question for the poll is what would you do think should happen?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 18th, 2014 at 11:47:14 AM
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The best strategy would be to draw high credit cards.
January 18th, 2014 at 12:21:18 PM
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Do we know for certain juice jennie is heterosexual?
January 18th, 2014 at 12:47:14 PM
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I am not at all sure that would have any impact on the probability of a successful matchup with a member of this forum.
January 18th, 2014 at 12:52:01 PM
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Does Nash equilibrium even apply to multi-agent games ? I thought it would only be valid for 2-player games, since otherwise other players could ally making sub-optimal decisions for themselves.
January 18th, 2014 at 1:05:54 PM
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Perhaps if you all walked around exhibiting black American Express cards pinned to Benjamins spilling out of your shirt pockets, she could judge the most appealing man and save you some time and effort? Pity the banks have done away with passbooks.
/sarcasm
/sarcasm
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
January 18th, 2014 at 1:29:40 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsPerhaps if you all walked around exhibiting black American Express cards pinned to Benjamins spilling out of your shirt pockets,
Attractive women are a commodity and they know it.
Ever see a dirt poor man with a super model wife?
Me either.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 18th, 2014 at 1:34:43 PM
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Quote: EvenBobAttractive women are a commodity and they know it.
Ever see a dirt poor man with a super model wife?
Me either.
During the Hippie phenomenon, you would sometimes see nice looking and neatly dressed women who went around with such. That seems to have died out though [g]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 18th, 2014 at 1:34:52 PM
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Quote: aceofspadesDo we know for certain juice jennie is heterosexual?
Maybe somebody should ask him ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 18th, 2014 at 1:37:43 PM
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people seem reluctant to vote. I can understand it, I think there is a reluctance to indicate you'd participate in such a sham. On the other hand, makes plenty of sense.
Also, I think to some degree men just don't trust other men to ever make such a deal, expecting to get gamed.
Also, I think to some degree men just don't trust other men to ever make such a deal, expecting to get gamed.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 18th, 2014 at 1:37:54 PM
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I have found that wearing my polo shirt with the American Society of Anesthesiologists logo saves me the time of showing a credit card with a high credit limit. I have given Mike one as a gift to use, but I don't know if he is using it effectively...
January 18th, 2014 at 1:51:28 PM
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I sense some Advantage Play or outright cheating will occur...
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
January 18th, 2014 at 1:53:00 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI sense some Advantage Play or outright cheating will occur...
Dan Lubin says they are one and the same.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 18th, 2014 at 1:56:10 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOI have found that wearing my polo shirt with the American Society of Anesthesiologists logo saves me the time of showing a credit card with a high credit limit.
You found that wearing a stethoscope all the time
was a little too obvious?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 18th, 2014 at 2:40:21 PM
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Reperiet qui quaesiverit
January 18th, 2014 at 5:06:58 PM
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I assume that if everyone "fights it out" then the probability of winning is extremely low for the vast majority of the players. Therefore a good strategy would be for everyone to cooperate and "randomize" to have an equal chance at winning.
However, switching strategy to "randomize and cheat" would be a huge payoff if most players did not cheat. And knowing this then everyone one would have to resort to cheating. Therefore, the Nash equilibrium would be for everyone to "randomize and cheat" which would boil down to the same as "fighting it out".
However, switching strategy to "randomize and cheat" would be a huge payoff if most players did not cheat. And knowing this then everyone one would have to resort to cheating. Therefore, the Nash equilibrium would be for everyone to "randomize and cheat" which would boil down to the same as "fighting it out".
January 18th, 2014 at 6:51:16 PM
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Where's the "I don't hit on women, they hit on me" poll option?
January 18th, 2014 at 7:36:53 PM
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhere's the "I don't hit on women, they hit on me" poll option?
It's on the Diversity Tomorrow website site. On the " Will anyone believe this shit thread " .
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 18th, 2014 at 9:07:58 PM
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I selected, "Other," and now I will explain.
There should be randomization, but there needs to be a process prior to randomization that shall go as follows:
1.) If you are married, then you are automatically excluded from the card draw.
2.) Having established this, JuicieJennie should be asked, ahead of time, what age range and income level(s) a potential suitor would have to be in order for the potential suitor(s) to qualify for the drawing. IOW, if there are any guys who would not meet JuicieJennie's baseline bare minimum qualifications, they should be excluded from the card draw as it being a waste of the card draw if they were to win.
3.) Everyone draws a card, for maximum efficiency, a black card of the same value beats a red card and a spade beats a club.
4.) ????
5.) Nobody lands a date with JuicieJennie, anyway, because she won't be there.
Sorry, gentlemen.
There should be randomization, but there needs to be a process prior to randomization that shall go as follows:
1.) If you are married, then you are automatically excluded from the card draw.
2.) Having established this, JuicieJennie should be asked, ahead of time, what age range and income level(s) a potential suitor would have to be in order for the potential suitor(s) to qualify for the drawing. IOW, if there are any guys who would not meet JuicieJennie's baseline bare minimum qualifications, they should be excluded from the card draw as it being a waste of the card draw if they were to win.
3.) Everyone draws a card, for maximum efficiency, a black card of the same value beats a red card and a spade beats a club.
4.) ????
5.) Nobody lands a date with JuicieJennie, anyway, because she won't be there.
Sorry, gentlemen.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
January 19th, 2014 at 12:12:19 AM
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I need to verify all women's lady parts to make sure they are who they say they are.
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
January 19th, 2014 at 12:18:39 AM
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Will any of the JJ doubters pay me $500 if I can produce a picture of myself with her?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 19th, 2014 at 12:24:28 AM
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Quote: WizardWill any of the JJ doubters pay me $500 if I can produce a picture of myself with her?
Sounds like a fix to me.
Part of it went on gambling, and part of it went on women. The rest I spent foolishly.
-George Raft
January 19th, 2014 at 4:33:44 AM
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It looks like a Math question, because we are trying to derive a theoretical Nash equilibrium.
It is not, though, because we don't know the rules of the game. What are the preferences of the players (disutility of fighting, of everyone being turned down, utility of a quiet meal, of dating JJennie)? Also, are we sure JJennie turns down everyone in case of fighting but not if there is but a few solicitors? Starting with how many guys? So the equilibrium would depend on the number of players involved.
It is not, though, because we don't know the rules of the game. What are the preferences of the players (disutility of fighting, of everyone being turned down, utility of a quiet meal, of dating JJennie)? Also, are we sure JJennie turns down everyone in case of fighting but not if there is but a few solicitors? Starting with how many guys? So the equilibrium would depend on the number of players involved.
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
January 19th, 2014 at 5:22:53 AM
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Nash equilibrium and women, what can be more similar? It takes about 10-15 years to figure the way women think and about the same time of how to beat poker.
January 19th, 2014 at 5:37:56 AM
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+1Quote: Dicenor33Nash equilibrium and women, what can be more similar? It takes about 10-15 years to figure the way women think and about the same time of how to beat poker.
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
January 19th, 2014 at 10:52:19 AM
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I would be willing to bet Hotblonde was one of the 4 that voted to ignore her.
I seriously doubt she would show up anyways. Let just say, for the sake of augment, she did show up.
I have a feeling 95% of the guys would be to afraid to talk to her anyways leaving the door open to just a few. At that point, If she is a pure hustler/gold digger, she will pick the biggest sucker with the most money.
If she is not a gold digger and she is just looking to have a good time in Vegas, she would pick someone who has a mix of Money and swag.
This kind of reminds me of when I very first started dating my GF, It was our 2nd date or something. we were out shooting pool, a very attractive girl was playing near by (girls seem to notice this just as much as guys). She bet me, I could not get her phone number. So I quickly did...... Oop's That was a big mistake. It was a TEST and I failed. My answer should have been........ I DON'T WANT HER NUMBER.
I seriously doubt she would show up anyways. Let just say, for the sake of augment, she did show up.
I have a feeling 95% of the guys would be to afraid to talk to her anyways leaving the door open to just a few. At that point, If she is a pure hustler/gold digger, she will pick the biggest sucker with the most money.
If she is not a gold digger and she is just looking to have a good time in Vegas, she would pick someone who has a mix of Money and swag.
This kind of reminds me of when I very first started dating my GF, It was our 2nd date or something. we were out shooting pool, a very attractive girl was playing near by (girls seem to notice this just as much as guys). She bet me, I could not get her phone number. So I quickly did...... Oop's That was a big mistake. It was a TEST and I failed. My answer should have been........ I DON'T WANT HER NUMBER.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 19th, 2014 at 10:56:25 AM
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Another thing is that women who look like her are never single or when they are its for a very short time. So you must wait and pounce at the right time. Its all about the hunt because eventually you will be sick of her Sh*t and move on to the next hunt.
January 19th, 2014 at 11:28:20 AM
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I got smitten by an ex stripper a few years back. It cost me about $10,000. She had me sweating bullets over the amount of money I was making and the amount of money I was spending. In a few short months I was going to be broke. Then what good would I be to her. All my life I was the one getting dumped. But I turned the tables on this one . I kicked her to the curb. She was one pissed off SOB. A few days later I got a text that said:
"I have a new boyfriend! He has a 4-bedroom house, and five cars, and 3 motorcycles and 2 snowmachines!"
I sent her a text back that said:
"Six months with you and he will be filing for bankruptcy!"
"I have a new boyfriend! He has a 4-bedroom house, and five cars, and 3 motorcycles and 2 snowmachines!"
I sent her a text back that said:
"Six months with you and he will be filing for bankruptcy!"
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
January 19th, 2014 at 11:37:07 AM
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Quote: Mission146I selected, "Other," and now I will explain.
There should be randomization, but there needs to be a process prior to randomization that shall go as follows:
1.) If you are married, then you are automatically excluded from the card draw.
2.) Having established this, JuicieJennie should be asked, ahead of time, what age range and income level(s) a potential suitor would have to be in order for the potential suitor(s) to qualify for the drawing. IOW, if there are any guys who would not meet JuicieJennie's baseline bare minimum qualifications, they should be excluded from the card draw as it being a waste of the card draw if they were to win.
3.) Everyone draws a card, for maximum efficiency, a black card of the same value beats a red card and a spade beats a club.
4.) ????
5.) Nobody lands a date with JuicieJennie, anyway, because she won't be there.
Sorry, gentlemen.
South Park fan?
January 19th, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI would be willing to bet Hotblonde was one of the 4 that voted to ignore her.
I seriously doubt she would show up anyways. Let just say, for the sake of augment, she did show up.
I have a feeling 95% of the guys would be to afraid to talk to her anyways leaving the door open to just a few. At that point, If she is a pure hustler/gold digger, she will pick the biggest sucker with the most money.
If she is not a gold digger and she is just looking to have a good time in Vegas, she would pick someone who has a mix of Money and swag.
This kind of reminds me of when I very first started dating my GF, It was our 2nd date or something. we were out shooting pool, a very attractive girl was playing near by (girls seem to notice this just as much as guys). She bet me, I could not get her phone number. So I quickly did...... Oop's That was a big mistake. It was a TEST and I failed. My answer should have been........ I DON'T WANT HER NUMBER.
I can narrow it down a little. I am one of the four who voted to ignore her. I don't care for this type of thing but, obviously, I can't take my own own advice. Like a bad car wreck, I can't seem to look away.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
January 19th, 2014 at 12:27:29 PM
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where is da WOV event? hay and i am going to vegas again from the 28-30th!!~ staying at either T.I. or MonteCarlo; i likeee to play at caesar's though!!!~
January 19th, 2014 at 12:44:32 PM
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Quote: juiciejenniewhere is da WOV event? hay and i am going to vegas again from the 28-30th!!~ staying at either T.I. or MonteCarlo; i likeee to play at caesar's though!!!~
Are you going to model for the Wizard and do pictures for the website when you come back?
January 19th, 2014 at 12:50:47 PM
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Quote: PerditionAre you going to model for the Wizard and do pictures for the website when you come back?
you mean when i am in vegas on the 28-30th? ya sure! i was busy etc during the ces show
January 19th, 2014 at 1:14:59 PM
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Quote: rudeboyoiSouth Park fan?
I'm afraid not, I used to be about a decade ago, but can't recall any episode that has much to do with my suggestion.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
January 19th, 2014 at 1:24:58 PM
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Quote: Mission146I'm afraid not, I used to be about a decade ago, but can't recall any episode that has much to do with my suggestion.
Underpants gnomes episode. The gnomes had a blackboard that said something like:
1) Steal underpants
2) ???
3) Profit
January 19th, 2014 at 1:54:38 PM
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Oh, the ??? thing, that's been going around the Internet for awhile, I think fark.com was the first place I saw it. Years ago. They may have jacked it from South Park, though, I have no idea.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
January 19th, 2014 at 1:56:46 PM
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Quote: Mission146Oh, the ??? thing, that's been going around the Internet for awhile, I think fark.com was the first place I saw it. Years ago. They may have jacked it from South Park, though, I have no idea.
Prob jacked it from south park. Its a really old episode.
January 19th, 2014 at 2:47:23 PM
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Quote: rudeboyoiProb jacked it from south park. Its a really old episode.
Good ole tweek
Part of it went on gambling, and part of it went on women. The rest I spent foolishly.
-George Raft
January 19th, 2014 at 3:04:14 PM
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Yeah ??? came from South Park along with the word Derp. Well actually Derp came from Baseketball but got more famous after Mr. Derp was featured.
January 19th, 2014 at 3:24:18 PM
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Quote: juiciejenniewhere is da WOV event? hay and i am going to vegas again from the 28-30th!!~ staying at either T.I. or MonteCarlo; i likeee to play at caesar's though!!!~
You almost gave me a heart attack. Looks like you'll miss the big event by two days, assuming you were referring to April. It is at the Main Street Station. Please give me notice if you can make it so I can prepare my lecture on game theory and the Nash Equilibrium.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 19th, 2014 at 6:43:57 PM
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As we're all mathematicians it should be based on well known game theory. All men are put in random order and the lady can only see one at a time, and has to pick/discard accordingly. This also makes it fairer - those who know they haven't got a chance know they can't win so won't bother, giving the good ones a better chance - also now the girl, in theory, has a higher chance of getting her man. So everybody wins!
The original puzzle was that (for arguments sake) a man has to pick the "best" princess from one of the many daughters that the king has. The challenge was he could see each one, one at a time, and either make his final selection or move one; once discarded he could not go back on his choice. (It is assumed for mathematical purposes that every princess has a measurable value).
Exercise for the reader to develop the logic. Sorry I don't know the exact way to prove the solution, but here's the answer and general idea -->Strangely this logic almost applies in real life, shame that (1-1/e) people are destined not to get the best one, lucky that ones needs change throughout life!
The original puzzle was that (for arguments sake) a man has to pick the "best" princess from one of the many daughters that the king has. The challenge was he could see each one, one at a time, and either make his final selection or move one; once discarded he could not go back on his choice. (It is assumed for mathematical purposes that every princess has a measurable value).
Exercise for the reader to develop the logic. Sorry I don't know the exact way to prove the solution, but here's the answer and general idea -->
I think the logic is to look at SQRT(N) girls and note the best seen so far. From thereon pick the first girl that exceed this value.
(a) If the 1st best was in the early section, you can't win. P=0.
(b) If the 2nd best was in the early section, you must win. P=1
(c) 3rd best - it's 50-50 whether you see 1st or 2nd. P=1/2.
.....
(a) If the 1st best was in the early section, you can't win. P=0.
(b) If the 2nd best was in the early section, you must win. P=1
(c) 3rd best - it's 50-50 whether you see 1st or 2nd. P=1/2.
.....
January 19th, 2014 at 7:14:29 PM
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Quote: WizardYou almost gave me a heart attack. Looks like you'll miss the big event by two days, assuming you were referring to April. It is at the Main Street Station. Please give me notice if you can make it so I can prepare my lecture on game theory and the Nash Equilibrium.
i meant i will be in vegas jan. 28-30th~
January 19th, 2014 at 7:20:26 PM
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Not staying to watch the Super Bowl?
January 19th, 2014 at 7:32:52 PM
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Here is a completely random idea and I know this flies directly against the premise of the thread but why doesn't everyone just let JJ decide who she wants to talk to or not talk to (if she indeed shows up).
Surely the world has managed to figure it out for billions of years through the simple transference of pheromones and mutual physical attraction?
I think this may all just go to confuse our "muse" even more and may ultimately scare her away.
Let nature take its course, otherwise walk into the place with your black amex hanging out :)
Surely the world has managed to figure it out for billions of years through the simple transference of pheromones and mutual physical attraction?
I think this may all just go to confuse our "muse" even more and may ultimately scare her away.
Let nature take its course, otherwise walk into the place with your black amex hanging out :)
There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. - Winston Churchill
January 19th, 2014 at 7:32:53 PM
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Quote: charliepatrickAll men are put in random order ...
I did this one years ago. As I recall the answer is:
Let 100/e = 36 or 37 men go by and note the best one. Then pick the next better person, if there is one.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 19th, 2014 at 7:50:53 PM
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Yes - I've found it at your other site and remember e came into it somewhere. http://mathproblems.info/?page_id=239Quote: WizardI did this one years ago....
January 19th, 2014 at 8:00:09 PM
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Mike, you are always entertaining.
But don't you think she should make the choice? Have we talked to her in person. Do we have pictures in her. You make it seem like she is 100% desirable based solely on the fact that she's a woman, but she may not be the right fit for the designated random person.
I would support picking up to 25 suitors, and have a rose ceremony every hour and eliminate one person per hour. You could be the host of the WOV edition of the Batchelorette.
I've trademarked it.
But don't you think she should make the choice? Have we talked to her in person. Do we have pictures in her. You make it seem like she is 100% desirable based solely on the fact that she's a woman, but she may not be the right fit for the designated random person.
I would support picking up to 25 suitors, and have a rose ceremony every hour and eliminate one person per hour. You could be the host of the WOV edition of the Batchelorette.
I've trademarked it.
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You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
January 19th, 2014 at 8:01:22 PM
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Quote: SOOPOOI have found that wearing my polo shirt with the American Society of Anesthesiologists logo saves me the time of showing a credit card with a high credit limit. I have given Mike one as a gift to use, but I don't know if he is using it effectively...
If he's married let's hope that it's hanging in the closet.
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You want the truth! You can't handle the truth!
January 19th, 2014 at 8:04:30 PM
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Quote: boymimboMike, you are always entertaining.
Thanks, but why don't women ever say that to me?
Quote:But don't you think she should make the choice? ....
I know you're joking, but the way this problem is usually told is the man picks from 100 women and each has a specific dowry. The man is just trying to get the biggest dowry he can. I guess he fools around on the side for love.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
January 19th, 2014 at 8:06:29 PM
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Oh, I forgot to say.....I love the poll option, "randmize who gets her"......like there HAS to be a winner :)
There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. - Winston Churchill
