bram1256
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November 23rd, 2013 at 10:50:34 AM permalink
Hi,

I was reading about the Hi-Lo count and I was wondering why, for instance, the 6 his value is +1 not 0.
Does anyone have a mathmatical explanation for this or a link to a similar thread/ website?

Thank you
MangoJ
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November 23rd, 2013 at 11:04:01 AM permalink
Because Hi-Lo is a balanced count optimized for simplicity.

Simplicity means: you only want as few different count values as possible. The simplest ones are 0, +1 and -1.
Balanced means: The sum over all values must be zero.

There are only a few of such simplistic counting systems.
One is +1 for 2,3,4,5,6 and -1 for T,J,Q,K,A, and is called Hi-Lo.

A different simple balanced counting system could be +1 for 2,3,4,5,6,7 and -1 for 9,T,J,Q,K,A. But it is very likely that it will perform worse than Hi-Lo.
anonimuss
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November 23rd, 2013 at 11:05:52 AM permalink
Because it is a balanced count. Something has to be zero and, just for one reason, an 8 isn't as bad a card to catch on a double down as a 6 is. 8's also break more dealer stiffs than a 6 would.
ChesterDog
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November 23rd, 2013 at 11:06:40 AM permalink
See Wikipedia about card counting and effect of removal. The value assigned to each card should be approximately proportional to the effect of removal of that card.

You can see from Wizard of Odds that the effect of removal of 7 is almost as large as that of 6, but to keep the counting system simple, 6 is assigned +1 and 7 is assigned 0.

See the Wikipedia article for other counting systems that assign +1 to 7 and +2 to 6.
98Clubs
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November 23rd, 2013 at 8:18:36 PM permalink
Quote: MangoJ

Because Hi-Lo is a balanced count optimized for simplicity.

A different simple balanced counting system could be +1 for 2,3,4,5,6,7 and -1 for 9,T,J,Q,K,A. But it is very likely that it will perform worse than Hi-Lo.



It is... as soon as both the 9 and Ace are ascribed a non-zero value the Insurance bet goes into the porcelain funnel.

If one has concerns aboout wagering on Insurance, this count is very accurate, and works well in pitch games.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
bram1256
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November 24th, 2013 at 4:44:12 AM permalink
Thanks everyone for responding. I get it now.
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