Las Vegas TV Show--how real was some stuff?
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:21:44 AM
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I never watched it new except once but last year thru the help of a DVR I saw every episode. Some things were obviously "TV" such as:
"The best pit-boss in the city" being in her late 20s.
A guy in his late 20s and only worked security taking over as President
My favorite--
The outside of the building being located where McCaran Airport sits but the view from Ed's Office puts the building somewhere near Harrah's.
One does get me, though. When they would find an obvious cheat, such as the Terry Bradshaw guest star episode, they seemed to want to win the money back THEN arrest the person. The episode in question they found the group had rigged the satellite to delay 90 seconds or so to allow past-posting. Another time they caught a BJ Player getting radio signals from outside via the dealer who was in on it I think.
So the question is, in this day and age if they catch you cheating by using some kind of device, will and can they legally take what chips you have in front of you or must they prove that the cheating caused the win by backtracking the eye to show your buyin and cheating.
Back when the mob ran things it would be the former and they might not bother with the cops. But what is the law on this and how much of that was TV?
BTW: Anyone who would have passed up Mary for that slut Delinda should have a promotion to Resort Manager denied based just on that.
"The best pit-boss in the city" being in her late 20s.
A guy in his late 20s and only worked security taking over as President
My favorite--
The outside of the building being located where McCaran Airport sits but the view from Ed's Office puts the building somewhere near Harrah's.
One does get me, though. When they would find an obvious cheat, such as the Terry Bradshaw guest star episode, they seemed to want to win the money back THEN arrest the person. The episode in question they found the group had rigged the satellite to delay 90 seconds or so to allow past-posting. Another time they caught a BJ Player getting radio signals from outside via the dealer who was in on it I think.
So the question is, in this day and age if they catch you cheating by using some kind of device, will and can they legally take what chips you have in front of you or must they prove that the cheating caused the win by backtracking the eye to show your buyin and cheating.
Back when the mob ran things it would be the former and they might not bother with the cops. But what is the law on this and how much of that was TV?
BTW: Anyone who would have passed up Mary for that slut Delinda should have a promotion to Resort Manager denied based just on that.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 10:35:42 AM
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I only watched about 20 minutes of that show, which was all I could take.
I'm not the best one to ask the cheating question to, but I suspect the casino would put the chips aside as evidence. If the player asked for them back, I suspect that the Gaming Control Board would have to make a ruling. I think they would rule to not give back any winnings as a result from cheating. As always, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not the best one to ask the cheating question to, but I suspect the casino would put the chips aside as evidence. If the player asked for them back, I suspect that the Gaming Control Board would have to make a ruling. I think they would rule to not give back any winnings as a result from cheating. As always, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 11:35:21 AM
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There are a couple factors that come to mind. How cooperative is the cheater? How much does the casino want to keep things quiet?
If the casino is making any attempt to keep the winnings, and the person doesn't attempt to get it back, that's pretty much an admission to guilt, in my book.
If the casino is making any attempt to keep the winnings, and the person doesn't attempt to get it back, that's pretty much an admission to guilt, in my book.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 12:40:50 PM
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I think the casino would be in the drivers seat if a device was being used. Its a felony and if the guy wants to hang on to the chips or insist the film be played back to make fine distinctions about all or part of his chip stack, well the casino just makes that phone call and its felony time for sure.
My understanding is that surveillance really doesn't catch that many cheaters, they more build an evidence file against the ones that have already been spotted by the floor people.
My understanding is that surveillance really doesn't catch that many cheaters, they more build an evidence file against the ones that have already been spotted by the floor people.
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:07:29 PM
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Dont know about all the technical stuff but come one Delinda (Molly Sims) was so so much hotter then Mary (Nikki Cox) I dont care what her past was. Plus her dad is super powerful and rich so that doesnt hurt, but on looks alone she had Mary crushed.
February 4th, 2010 at 8:12:39 AM
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Quote: jwptceoDont know about all the technical stuff but come one Delinda (Molly Sims) was so so much hotter then Mary (Nikki Cox) I dont care what her past was. Plus her dad is super powerful and rich so that doesnt hurt, but on looks alone she had Mary crushed.
I'm guessing you are also a Ginger and Jennifer man vs Mary Ann or Bailey? Mary was still hot and a totally great person. Delinda was totally annoying and high-maintainence. And do you want to be dating Ed Deline's daughter? Ed was in the CIA for crying out loud. At least Nicky Santoro would just stick you in a hole in the desert. Who knows what Ed would have in line for you.
Sam would probably be the one to take out of all three given the choice. Then Mary. Then Delinda.
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February 4th, 2010 at 9:02:10 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman
Sam would probably be the one to take out of all three given the choice.
Yes.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
February 4th, 2010 at 12:21:53 PM
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Sam for the weekend. Mary for a long term relationship (awesome breasts!). Delinda- distant third.
February 4th, 2010 at 1:26:07 PM
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Just goes to show you that all we really care about what is real is what the girls have underneath their shirts! But to contribute, my preference would be definitely Sam followed by Delinda. Mary has way too many emotional issues that would offset anything she could 'do'. Being Ed's daughter has its rewards and consequences. Sam is just wild.
Although the casino scenes were not all that realistic and the fact that Ed's office overlooked the wrong part of the strip (the hotel would be across the street from Mandalay Bay), my understanding is that some of the pool scenes and exteriors was at Mandalay Bay. I also lauded the effort to make the casino "look" real with actual games and slot machines, though the play itself was mostly wrong when illustrated.
I really enjoyed the series and it was a shame that they ended it without a finale. Good ol' NBC.
Although the casino scenes were not all that realistic and the fact that Ed's office overlooked the wrong part of the strip (the hotel would be across the street from Mandalay Bay), my understanding is that some of the pool scenes and exteriors was at Mandalay Bay. I also lauded the effort to make the casino "look" real with actual games and slot machines, though the play itself was mostly wrong when illustrated.
I really enjoyed the series and it was a shame that they ended it without a finale. Good ol' NBC.
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February 4th, 2010 at 1:33:57 PM
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Quote: boymimboJust goes to show you that all we really care about what is real is what the girls have underneath their shirts! But to contribute, my preference would be definitely Sam followed by Delinda. Mary has way too many emotional issues that would offset anything she could 'do'. Being Ed's daughter has its rewards and consequences. Sam is just wild.
Although the casino scenes were not all that realistic and the fact that Ed's office overlooked the wrong part of the strip (the hotel would be across the street from Mandalay Bay), my understanding is that some of the pool scenes and exteriors was at Mandalay Bay. I also lauded the effort to make the casino "look" real with actual games and slot machines, though the play itself was mostly wrong when illustrated.
I really enjoyed the series and it was a shame that they ended it without a finale. Good ol' NBC.
Word on wikapedia was that they would resolve Delinda's baby and some other things via a walk-on scene in the new "Knight Rider" (don't get me started!) which seems to share part of the same parallel universe.
As a Steelers fan I liked that they had Terry Bradshaw guest star. Though when security ran him and after the ficticious background they added "and he played some football somewhere" I just shook my head. Everything is an in-joke.
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February 4th, 2010 at 2:24:35 PM
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Sam for a wild weekend but Nessa to take home to the parents (that, and I'm a sucker for accents).
February 4th, 2010 at 3:12:22 PM
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Agree. Nessa was smoking hot.
Also Delinda would need a boob job before she could compete with Mary IMO.
Also Delinda would need a boob job before she could compete with Mary IMO.
February 6th, 2010 at 9:31:35 AM
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Vanessa Marcil for me plz!
February 8th, 2010 at 8:46:46 AM
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I always wondered if the Security room is as advanced and detailed as the one on the show. Do the casino's really have all the facial recogniton capabilities and such?
On a side note- Though Delinda was 3rd on my picks, she is way ahead of Piper who joined the show in its last year or so. She definately was a downgrade from the other actresses.
On a side note- Though Delinda was 3rd on my picks, she is way ahead of Piper who joined the show in its last year or so. She definately was a downgrade from the other actresses.
February 12th, 2010 at 6:09:54 AM
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I'm watching this show right now, and I'm wondering just what is this game -
It's been featured in the background a lot and as a plot device once (Jerry O'Connell won a car betting 5 dollars on it).
There are 20 wedges that show - $70, $60, $100, ?, $40, ? Vacation, $45, car, $65, $150, $50, $250, $55, $125, $1,000, $400, $75, $750, $80, $25,000 as well as "Double up red" and "Double up black" covering the space of 2 wedges throughout the wheel and apperantly it's progressive... Somehow...
I'm suspecting it's some sort of a promotion or a game they invented without thinking about it too much because I don't see how it works out as a real casino game...
Noy
It's been featured in the background a lot and as a plot device once (Jerry O'Connell won a car betting 5 dollars on it).
There are 20 wedges that show - $70, $60, $100, ?, $40, ? Vacation, $45, car, $65, $150, $50, $250, $55, $125, $1,000, $400, $75, $750, $80, $25,000 as well as "Double up red" and "Double up black" covering the space of 2 wedges throughout the wheel and apperantly it's progressive... Somehow...
I'm suspecting it's some sort of a promotion or a game they invented without thinking about it too much because I don't see how it works out as a real casino game...
Noy
February 12th, 2010 at 7:22:57 AM
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Security and Surveillance are separate entities. The surveillance room is pure Hollywood, I'm sure. It takes casinos a long time to upgrade to digital color rather than B&W VCRs. No microphones at all. Face recognition is rudimentary and all it does is store a face's relationship to twelve standard faces and then search for that index number which will provide a short list of match-candidates. Entranceway cameras often have height indicators in the background. And yes, some of those advertisements do have concealed cameras so that males looking at the female depicted in the advertisement will be likely to be showing their full face to the camera without realizing it. Surveillance personnel enter and exit the building by a separate doorway from other employees and surveillance personnel do not enter the gaming floor for any purpose.Quote: bowlerguyI always wondered if the Security room is as advanced and detailed as the one on the show.
February 12th, 2010 at 7:52:07 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffSecurity and Surveillance are separate entities. The surveillance room is pure Hollywood, I'm sure. It takes casinos a long time to upgrade to digital color rather than B&W VCRs. No microphones at all. Face recognition is rudimentary and all it does is store a face's relationship to twelve standard faces and then search for that index number which will provide a short list of match-candidates. Entranceway cameras often have height indicators in the background. And yes, some of those advertisements do have concealed cameras so that males looking at the female depicted in the advertisement will be likely to be showing their full face to the camera without realizing it. Surveillance personnel enter and exit the building by a separate doorway from other employees and surveillance personnel do not enter the gaming floor for any purpose.Quote: bowlerguyI always wondered if the Security room is as advanced and detailed as the one on the show.
Other things I have read is survalence is a very dark room and not that well paying for the employees. Survalence employees not only enter seperate but are not supposed to fratenize with any other employees at all. (I assume this means not even being allowed in the EDR for meals.) All in all my impression was that survelance is not the place to make a good career path and best for people who "hate people" to work.
On the "cameras in the advertisements" that goes way back. I heard that on an early "Miami Vice" where Tubbs says to put a centerfold poster up near a camera so you can get a good ID.
I think the TV show made a lot of stuff up to look more advanced than it was and lets face it, the casinos would like that. A huge part of any type of "security" is simple deterence. If I see all those smoked-globes that I know have cameras I will be far less likely to try anything if I am smart.
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February 12th, 2010 at 8:17:48 AM
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Quote: FleaStiff...And yes, some of those advertisements do have concealed cameras so that males looking at the female depicted in the advertisement will be likely to be showing their full face to the camera without realizing it....
I never thought about this. Positively, devilishly, genius idea! Now if someone ever figures out how to put a mini camera w/battery in those stripper cards the guys on the street hand out, we're all in trouble! :)
February 12th, 2010 at 9:12:56 AM
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The Montesino seems to me like a very humanitarian casino, with the main staff taking time out of their day and going REALLY out of their way to help out regular players with their non casino related life problems, at time investing a lot of money and risking their own lives for their well being.
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October 9th, 2010 at 10:01:42 PM
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I'm sorry, I unapologetically love this show. Its a fantasy Las Vegas that never existed and you have to watch it with a tongue in cheek attitude. I have all 5 seasons on DVD and watch the whole series at least once a year. Its great escapism, and the women are gorgeous. Its how you want Vegas casinos to be. Also, James Caan makes the show. A real Hollywood actor on a TV series is always a good thing and he plays Big Ed Deline to the hilt.
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October 10th, 2010 at 5:10:51 AM
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I enjoyed the show for awhile. I finally gave up when Lara Flynn Boyles' character, Monica, died after being blown off a roof and half way up the strip.
I know she doesn't have much meat on her bones, but Come On!
Remember what they did with her ashes?
I know she doesn't have much meat on her bones, but Come On!
Remember what they did with her ashes?
October 10th, 2010 at 9:04:19 AM
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She gets my top vote too!
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October 10th, 2010 at 12:43:06 PM
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Quote: benbakdoffI enjoyed the show for awhile. I finally gave up when Lara Flynn Boyles' character, Monica, died after being blown off a roof and half way up the strip.
I know she doesn't have much meat on her bones, but Come On!
Remember what they did with her ashes?
That srt of did make the jump from "suspend disbelief" to "COME ON?!"
I think at that point the writers were out of ideas. A shame as there would be so many plotlines you could have with a casino-based show. I guess 2000s America has the attention span for nothing.
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October 10th, 2010 at 3:13:02 PM
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The first 3 seasons were the best, James Caan left after the 4th, which had gotten to the point it wasn't about the casino anymore, but a soap opera of the cast.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 10th, 2010 at 3:32:22 PM
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Quote: EvenBobThe first 3 seasons were the best, James Caan left after the 4th, which had gotten to the point it wasn't about the casino anymore, but a soap opera of the cast.
Same thing happened to "LA Law" and "Moonlighting" tpo name two. TV writers will never learn.
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October 10th, 2010 at 4:14:16 PM
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Quote: benbakdoffI enjoyed the show for awhile. I finally gave up when Lara Flynn Boyles' character, Monica, died after being blown off a roof and half way up the strip.
I know she doesn't have much meat on her bones, but Come On!
Remember what they did with her ashes?
I think they flushed them down the toilet didn't they?
October 10th, 2010 at 4:36:29 PM
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Good memory!
October 10th, 2010 at 8:02:44 PM
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Quote: medictomI think they flushed them down the toilet didn't they?
The 3rd season had a lot of comedy in it, after that it went down hill. There just isn't enough interesting stuff in a casino to keep coming up with fresh stuff. Real casinos have to be some of the most boring places on the planet. Without alcohol, they would be very hard to endure. Your average dealer looks like he died of boredom last week and nobody has noticed yet.
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