MrV
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May 5th, 2011 at 8:06:34 AM permalink
I wonder what the boxman and pitboss would say / do if, when a die flew off the table, some clueless casino patron who was walking by looked down, saw it lying on the floor, picked the die up and pocketed it and then blithely walked away?

I wonder what the superstitious crapsters who insist on "same dice!" would say / do?

Would it really be worth making a big deal about?
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DJTeddyBear
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May 5th, 2011 at 8:26:41 AM permalink
The same thing that happens if the missing die simply can't be found.

After a few minutes of searching, they give up and use the remaining 4 dice. If it's still missing after a reasonable period of time, (An hour? End of shift? Next shooter?) they take the 4 out of use and bring in 5 new dice.

FYI: Dice are manufactured / sold in sets of five - all five have the same serial number. So even if that person kept the stray die, it wouldn't do much good.
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Paigowdan
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May 5th, 2011 at 8:36:44 AM permalink
The retrieved die is handed to the nearest dealer, and it gets checked by the floorman or boxman. Dice have serial numbers on them, and they must match between dice.
If "same dice" was requested, then the same dice are used to continue the game. Only the shooter can call for the same dice to be used, no one else.

I haven't seen someone pocket a die that flew off the table, but if someone did that, he'd clearly be told you can't do that.
It's the same thing as pocketing a card from of a live card table, a big no-no.

You can directly hand dice back to a crap dealer on the game if it went off the table, no problem, if that is how the particular casino house operates.
Cash money must be put down on the layout to be picked up by the dealer. On a crap game, you should wait until the dice are "in the center" between rolls to put down your table buy-in money.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 5th, 2011 at 9:24:42 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

You can directly hand dice back to a crap dealer on the game if it went off the table, no problem, if that is how the particular casino house operates.

You make it sound like they don't do that at your casino.

For the record, I'm sure everyone here understands the whole no-touching thing, put the cash on the table, etc.

But when a casino goes so far as to say that a patron can't even shake hands with a dealer, it strikes us as very odd that they will allow, and in most cases, prefer, that dice taken from the floor are directly handed to a dealer rather than dropped on the table.
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Ayecarumba
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May 5th, 2011 at 10:00:56 AM permalink
I think it expedites the inspection. If the die were tossed in, and it was not clear which was the one that went over the rail, ALL of them would have to be inspected. This would be a shameful loss of time that money is exposed to the house edge.
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Slowride
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May 5th, 2011 at 12:45:20 PM permalink
Twice today the die left the table and my Wife handed it back to the person with their hand out. That person
then handed the die to the boss who then inspected it and placed it back into play, as the shooter asked for
the same die. Die off the table has happened the last two days here at NY NY with different Crap crews and
all personal have had their hand out for the die if a player or spectator picks it up.
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odiousgambit
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May 5th, 2011 at 1:55:40 PM permalink
I'm picturing something that would take dealer collusion

the crooked die is switched for the die that hit the deck and this is thrown on the table away from the pit boss; the dealer picks up a good die, sort of hiding the scene from view, you know, as he does it, and hands that to the pit boss. The dealer makes sure he gets the switched die to the shooter.

this has probably happened a time or two eh?

the plot is foiled when the errant die is carefully shown to have never mixed with the other dice, so the policy is what it is.

Now the question becomes, does this show I have a criminal mind ???
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May 5th, 2011 at 3:20:45 PM permalink
Well thanks guys, I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds this double-standard odd.
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cclub79
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May 5th, 2011 at 4:16:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I think it expedites the inspection. If the die were tossed in, and it was not clear which was the one that went over the rail, ALL of them would have to be inspected. This would be a shameful loss of time that money is exposed to the house edge.



This.

Also, it's not like you are touching the dealer usually. They just put their palm out and they want you to drop it in. I don't think I've ever touched the dealer's hand when doing that.
AZDuffman
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May 5th, 2011 at 5:48:49 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I wonder what the boxman and pitboss would say / do if, when a die flew off the table, some clueless casino patron who was walking by looked down, saw it lying on the floor, picked the die up and pocketed it and then blithely walked away?

I wonder what the superstitious crapsters who insist on "same dice!" would say / do?

Would it really be worth making a big deal about?



As a guess I would say they would stop him or her. Also as a guess I'd think play cannot go on with only 4 dice. A missing die with the same number is a security risk.
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