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November 21st, 2024 at 8:29:15 PM permalink
As a general thing, how do people share (sell) knowledge of a specific high-value opportunity?

I recently came across a very intriguing opportunity and was discussing it with a veteran of the field and the point of 'How (if) do you plan to share it?' came up, whether as a one-off finders fee, ongoing cut of the profits, etc. when it occurred to me that I have absolutely no idea how people go about this, either from the financial side or the procedural. (For the curious, while details aren't open at this time, it's been personally verified to work for several thousand a week, entirely legal, works the same solo or for small groups, and I've seen nobody else attacking it for the last three weeks. The catch is that it takes a little prep to set it up, and the money train could be terminated at any time.)
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November 22nd, 2024 at 4:33:43 AM permalink
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As a general thing, how do people share (sell) knowledge of a specific high-value opportunity?

I recently came across a very intriguing opportunity and was discussing it with a veteran of the field and the point of 'How (if) do you plan to share it?' came up, whether as a one-off finders fee, ongoing cut of the profits, etc. when it occurred to me that I have absolutely no idea how people go about this, either from the financial side or the procedural. (For the curious, while details aren't open at this time, it's been personally verified to work for several thousand a week, entirely legal, works the same solo or for small groups, and I've seen nobody else attacking it for the last three weeks. The catch is that it takes a little prep to set it up, and the money train could be terminated at any time.)
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Well for one you don’t actually tell people your secret. That’s the number one rule. Rule two. Find another way to say your secret. This is kind of like encrypting your secret. Three. Create a whole university to teach your secret. It’s very easy to create money gated courses these days. Number 4. NEVER EVER EVER TELL YOUR SECRET - it’s the thing that’s helping you make money. Five. University classes should get less and less to actually understanding the secret and more towards people selling the secrets of the secret your selling.

You could also hand paint a sign telling people you have a secret and see what people offer

You could just post it here also … come on just tell us the secret its probably worthless
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November 22nd, 2024 at 9:46:47 AM permalink
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As a general thing, how do people share (sell) knowledge of a specific high-value opportunity?

I recently came across a very intriguing opportunity and was discussing it with a veteran of the field and the point of 'How (if) do you plan to share it?' came up, whether as a one-off finders fee, ongoing cut of the profits, etc. when it occurred to me that I have absolutely no idea how people go about this, either from the financial side or the procedural. (For the curious, while details aren't open at this time, it's been personally verified to work for several thousand a week, entirely legal, works the same solo or for small groups, and I've seen nobody else attacking it for the last three weeks. The catch is that it takes a little prep to set it up, and the money train could be terminated at any time.)
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It depends on how many ‘trustworthy’ friends/associates/family members! you have. And what previous business you have done with them. And how likely that if you do ‘share’ it with enough others, will the casino end it? How much time does it take to make ‘a few thousand’ a week? Is it that easy that ‘even a caveman’ can do it? Is there ANY risk to being banned from the casino if they figure out what you are doing?

And almost importantly, if you never share this, do you think you can get away with this forever? Making $130k or so a year doing this isn’t bad, right?

If I knew the answers to those questions, I could give you an answer.
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November 22nd, 2024 at 2:17:12 PM permalink
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And almost importantly, if you never share this, do you think you can get away with this forever? Making $130k or so a year doing this isn’t bad, right?

If I knew the answers to those questions, I could give you an answer.
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When i first started, i was on track for $150k after a few months part time. i was thinking this is great! Imagine full time.
then a $8k loss for a week, followed by straight multiple low 4 figure losses in subsequent weeks.

I hate reality popping my bubble :(
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November 22nd, 2024 at 2:32:56 PM permalink
Nah, no such risk of failure like that here. Loss of potential gains is possible, but I'd call that more of an annoyance.

Basically the only way to end up negative is either going off-script (not my fault if you decide to actually gamble...), they refuse to let you cash out (extremely unlikely), things get derailed during the onboarding process (possible; they just switched to the current system, but far as I can tell, they're making a hell of a lot more that way), or external screw (possible, but hasn't happened to me yet, after six digits worth over the last few years).
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November 22nd, 2024 at 4:03:13 PM permalink
Your seemingly speaking about an online casino is what my spidey senses are telling me but I’m often wrong
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November 22nd, 2024 at 5:22:24 PM permalink
You would be correct!... that you are often wrong.
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November 25th, 2024 at 12:52:10 AM permalink
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As a general thing, how do people share (sell) knowledge of a specific high-value opportunity?

I recently came across a very intriguing opportunity and was discussing it with a veteran of the field and the point of 'How (if) do you plan to share it?' came up, whether as a one-off finders fee, ongoing cut of the profits, etc. when it occurred to me that I have absolutely no idea how people go about this, either from the financial side or the procedural. (For the curious, while details aren't open at this time, it's been personally verified to work for several thousand a week, entirely legal, works the same solo or for small groups, and I've seen nobody else attacking it for the last three weeks. The catch is that it takes a little prep to set it up, and the money train could be terminated at any time.)
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One way to share knowledge of an opportunity is to trade information. Try to find someone who has an opportunity, or opportunities, with equal value to yours.
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November 25th, 2024 at 1:04:45 AM permalink
For opportunities I discover, I do not share them unless there is a way they can play it with me, in a way that will increase my win rate, which of course would be mutual. Then they don't owe me a dime, I just want them to show up and grind it out with me.

Those ways can mean: a call-in game, a two-man count, card eating, and if it's any form of blackjack just having another AP playing two spots speeds up the game enough to be well worth showing someone what I'm doing. Of course I'm talking about classical AP methods here, you might be doing something where none of this applies.

When you meet somebody who discovered the same esoteric opportunity you have independently from you and is attacking it in a similar way, you've met a partner you can trust.
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November 25th, 2024 at 5:03:39 AM permalink
This screams roulette martingale scam to me … the cryptic opening question which is seemingly harmless meant to get the conversation going but then BAM you get hit with the inevitable
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November 25th, 2024 at 7:59:54 AM permalink
I'm sure this has all been said before, but most AP's have a network of other AP's they share information with.

However, some just don't have this network, at least in the place the play can be done. In this case, I find the usual deal is to sell the play for a percentage of the net win. Yes, trust is required that the recipient report the net win truthfully.
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November 25th, 2024 at 9:40:09 AM permalink
It's a bit of a weak long con (ten years for *this*, and having met a number of you in person?).

I skipped over the Wizard because I thought they were out of the ground game, for some reason; if you're interested, I don't mind privately sharing non-identifiable details. (In fact, I'd actually welcome another experienced pair of eyeballs.)
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December 17th, 2024 at 7:42:42 AM permalink
Looks like the most practical answer is "Hang around and chat with people who look like they know what they're doing and gather contacts for future use." ...And boy is there a lot of chaff among them.

As far as the play is concerned, it's on life support. Suits have been monitoring the bank and adjusting rates since last week when a team was caught playing other people's accounts for pay.

It was a shipboard play where ~175k CI (with a ~-1% fully insured play) got you 3kFP+RFB, and up to 8% rebate on buy-in, up to 25k/week, plus lesser bonuses.
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December 17th, 2024 at 9:09:24 AM permalink
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Looks like the most practical answer is "Hang around and chat with people who look like they know what they're doing and gather contacts for future use." ...And boy is there a lot of chaff among them.

As far as the play is concerned, it's on life support. Suits have been monitoring the bank and adjusting rates since last week when a team was caught playing other people's accounts for pay.

It was a shipboard play where ~175k CI (with a ~-1% fully insured play) got you 3kFP+RFB, and up to 8% rebate on buy-in, up to 25k/week, plus lesser bonuses.
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What do you mean insured play?
Rebate on buy-in? So a loss rebate promo?

I went thru $50k CI on a new card chasing a $10k must hit and never got 4 figures/week freeplay. :(
i guess i need to stop playing at chain casinos
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December 17th, 2024 at 9:39:41 AM permalink
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Looks like the most practical answer is "Hang around and chat with people who look like they know what they're doing and gather contacts for future use." ...And boy is there a lot of chaff among them.

As far as the play is concerned, it's on life support. Suits have been monitoring the bank and adjusting rates since last week when a team was caught playing other people's accounts for pay.

It was a shipboard play where ~175k CI (with a ~-1% fully insured play) got you 3kFP+RFB, and up to 8% rebate on buy-in, up to 25k/week, plus lesser bonuses.
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What do you mean insured play?
Rebate on buy-in? So a loss rebate promo?

I went thru $50k CI on a new card chasing a $10k must hit and never got 4 figures/week freeplay. :(
i guess i need to stop playing at chain casinos
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0% risk, like betting all numbers on roulette, both sides of bac, etc. There's lower HA uninsured, but then you're opening yourself up to variance.

Loss rebate is a rebate on losses, so you kind of have to lose. This is a rebate off the top, at buy-in. Though I've heard about people threatened with blacklisting if they kept buying in and cashing out after one hand.
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