AlanMendelson
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May 10th, 2022 at 1:14:21 PM permalink
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Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
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Look I am not arguing the morality of finders keepers. I think a lot of people grew up being taught that was the rule of the day.

But the law says different.

If you find a bag full of money and don't report it then hopefully you don't get arrested. Or have a mafia crew looking for you.
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I didnt make any moral judgments either. I just told what happened at Red Rock.

No one asked me if the slot attendant was correct. But somehow the messenger gets killed.
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That's how you see this,eh?
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You're asking me what I think? Okay.

I think the slot attendant should have turned in the $1200 to the casino. The casino should have reported the $1200 to the NGC. After the appropriate time passed, as Nevada law stipulates, 75% of the money should have been sent to the state and the remaining 25% should have been donated to charity.

That's what I think.

Now, what do you think?
billryan
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May 10th, 2022 at 1:43:46 PM permalink
I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:21:36 PM permalink
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I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.
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Probably a combination of the two. You don't want an accusation you were taking the money before you get to the metro police.

Probably turn it into casino security and request a claim form.

I'm not certain what response you would get but that's the best way in a perfect world.

Would not surprise me if casino refused to issue a claim form citing some regulations
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:28:49 PM permalink
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I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.
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Probably a combination of the two. You don't want an accusation you were taking the money before you get to the metro police.

Probably turn it into casino security and request a claim form.

I'm not certain what response you would get but that's the best way in a perfect world.

Would not surprise me if casino refused to issue a claim form citing some regulations
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You take out your phone and make a video saying you found this and are on the way to the Metro St.to turn it in.
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:30:24 PM permalink
Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:35:25 PM permalink
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Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.
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It's "finders keepers" except that 75% goes to the State.
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:40:19 PM permalink
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Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.
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It's money unclaimed after a certain time frame. In New York it's similar with a six month period.

So if you lose your money in the casino and don't claim it for six months the casino keeps it or whatever the legal waiting period is in Nevada.

The next question is how do you prove you lost it. That it's your cash.

I imagine a form would be required for cash that you fill out and prior to that you would have to supply the exact date, amount lost, and approximate time and location for them to accept your claim of ownership. No way they just hand it over without questions.
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:46:53 PM permalink
If the money is found in the parking lot or in the hotel does it still go to the casino if it is unclaimed?

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What prevents a fraudulent claim by a friend of an employee of the casino (who tips them off) and who was in the casino on the day that the money was found?
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May 10th, 2022 at 2:58:40 PM permalink
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If the money is found in the parking lot or in the hotel does it still go to the casino if it is unclaimed?

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What prevents a fraudulent claim by a friend of an employee of the casino (who tips them off) and who was in the casino on the day that the money was found?
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Any property of the casino I would imagine.

As for the second question, larceny is always a possibility.

I imagine getting caught as a possibility might stop people. For example, what if they checked the camera and see someone else is who drops the cash? Or the actual person shows up to lay claim to the money.
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May 10th, 2022 at 3:11:43 PM permalink
A certain BJ author makes a point of checking the lost and found for $100 bills and claims he is successful enough to make it worth his while. Of course, he also almost got banned for taking excess free waters but that is life as an AP.
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