OMFGTHISYI
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April 29th, 2022 at 5:08:53 AM permalink
What the title says. I've tried searching around but can't seem to find an answer if this bet can be counted or not. Maybe that means it can't? Though iI'm not sure, hence why I'm asking. Any advice appreciated, or any other good side bets to count in Baccarat. Thank you!

Edit: Basics of the bet: Bet wins if all of the following happen: (1) Banker has two-card hand of 3 points, (2) Player has two-card of 5 or less points, and (3) Player hand draws an 8. What is special about this situation is it's the only way the Banker can stand on a 3-point hand.

(Thank you, Wizard)
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billryan
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April 29th, 2022 at 6:00:47 AM permalink
I find it works better, in the long run, to bet more on winning hands and less on the losing ones.
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April 29th, 2022 at 6:23:16 AM permalink
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3G8 is an optional wager whereby, if the Banker's hand has 3 points with only two cards and the player's hand is entitled to receive another card, that card being the third card to the player's hand will win if it is an 8 (eight). 3G8 is paid at odds of 200 to 1.

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we saw two assumptions here ... the OP assuming everybody knows what he is talking about

and another person assuming a newbie must immediately be dissed ... rite of passage, you see

200:1 strikes me as worthy of exam
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OMFGTHISYI
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April 29th, 2022 at 6:47:05 AM permalink
Assuming everyone knows what they are talking about? I asked a question in a forum of people who may know... if someone knows or has insight, they are welcome to answer lol. Idk what was with that reply before, but I elected to ignore it.

The bet seems lucrative, and I know that some baccarat side bets can be counted, though I couldn't find much info on this one... hence I'm asking.
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April 29th, 2022 at 7:46:03 AM permalink
Summary of 3G8:
Banker's total is 3, player's drawn card is an 8.
(This is how I read it, anyway. Happy to hear clarification.)

Pay is 200:1.

Yes, it probably deserves a look.

edit: see also the other discussion.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/35033-3-giving-8/
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April 29th, 2022 at 8:05:52 AM permalink
I ran 1 billion hands from an 8-deck show using Hi-Lo, and the closest I could get to a player advantage is about 1/205 - and you need a count of -5 or lower to get anything better than a 1/210 chance of winning, which itself is a house advantage of 4.285%.
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April 29th, 2022 at 8:26:56 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I ran 1 billion hands from an 8-deck show using Hi-Lo, and the closest I could get to a player advantage is about 1/205 - and you need a count of -5 or lower to get anything better than a 1/210 chance of winning, which itself is a house advantage of 4.285%.
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Hi Lo doesn’t strike me as a good count for this.
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odiousgambit
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April 29th, 2022 at 9:08:21 AM permalink
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Assuming everyone knows what they are talking about? ...
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you assumed everyone knew what YOU were referring to ... I had to look it up, so I shared it, along with a link. You might take note of that sir

the other remark was an indirect 'way of apology' ... the greeting newbies get, not that here is any different
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April 29th, 2022 at 9:27:29 AM permalink
Quote: OMFGTHISYI

What the title says. I've tried searching around but can't seem to find an answer if this bet can be counted or not. Maybe that means it can't? Though iI'm not sure, hence why I'm asking. Any advice appreciated, or any other good side bets to count in Baccarat. Thank you!
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I'll do this for you. Nothing better to do today. Obviously you want a shoe rich in 8's and poor in 9's. Beyond that I don't know, but I'll report back soon.

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Thanks for this post from:
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April 29th, 2022 at 10:12:20 AM permalink
Okay -- my intuition was once again not great. Of course, a "3" is also a very important card. This bet appears to be extremely exploitable with the 200-to-1 payout, letting the AP win nearly 4 units per 100 hands. Of course, the variance will be crazy high.

The easiest balanced counting system to use is quite intuitive (but not the most accurate). Here it is:

A, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, T, J, Q, K = +1
3 = -3
8 = -8

With this counting system, a simulation of 100M 8-deck shoes, with the cut card at 14 cards, gives:

Trigger true count: 2
Percent of hands with edge: 23.21%
Average edge: 16.94%
Units won per shoe: 3.20
Units won per 100 hands: 3.93
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