Poll

No votes (0%)
No votes (0%)
2 votes (18.18%)
6 votes (54.54%)
No votes (0%)
1 vote (9.09%)
No votes (0%)
1 vote (9.09%)
1 vote (9.09%)
9 votes (81.81%)

11 members have voted

Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1387
  • Posts: 23271
August 24th, 2020 at 10:12:43 AM permalink
3 Giving 8 is a baccarat side bet found at the Hippodromo casino in London. It pays 200 to 1 if the Banker hand starts with a two-card total of three and the Player hand draws a third card of an 8.

For my analysis, please see my new page on 3 Giving 8. I welcome all comments.

The question for the poll is would you bet the 3 Giving 8?
Last edited by: Wizard on Aug 24, 2020
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
MattUK
MattUK
Joined: Jul 25, 2017
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 138
August 24th, 2020 at 11:21:25 AM permalink
Thank you Wiz! I saw it in Hippodrome and other London casinos as well, eg. Horizon, which is metres away on the same square.
https://horizonscasino.com/casino-games/baccarat/
I think it's available to whoever pays for the licence.
I could bet with a really decent bankroll if there's a chance to enter EV+. However, my guess is that could happen rarely and to sit by the table without betting at all for an hour or so is not suspicious at all. Otherwise, it's like Triple in Sic Bo paying 200 (which would be 6.94% edge, as it's 1/216 vs. 1/220.11, not to mention far easier).
Is the "Red 8 pays even" in the making? :-)
Last edited by: MattUK on Aug 24, 2020
charliepatrick
charliepatrick
Joined: Jun 17, 2011
  • Threads: 34
  • Posts: 2424
August 24th, 2020 at 11:22:59 AM permalink
I wouldn't but I've seen people do it in the same way as they make the specific tie bets. I guess it's the thrill on a nice payout every now and then.

btw the Empire, according to their webpage, only give 180 to 1 and describe...
Quote: https://www.thecasinolsq.com/assets/caesars/images/files/10-CEUK-PuntoBanco-V1-Sept2019.pdf


THE HOUSE EDGE FOR PUNTO BANCO:
BANK IS 1.06%
PLAYER (PUNTO) IS 1.24%
ANY EGALITE AT 9-1 IS 4.84%
3G8 (THREE GIVING EIGHT) IS 17.77%
UR WAY EGALITES SIDE BET
TIE 0 13.40%
TIE 1 11.80%
TIE 2 10.10%
TIE 3 10.90%
TIE 4 12.90%
TIE 5 12.50%
TIE 6 13.30%
TIE 7 8.20%
TIE 8 12.20%
TIE 9 11.60%

MattUK
MattUK
Joined: Jul 25, 2017
  • Threads: 13
  • Posts: 138
August 24th, 2020 at 11:31:28 AM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

btw the Empire, according to their webpage, only give 180 to 1


Yes, that's true. I saw the table with my eyes.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1387
  • Posts: 23271
August 24th, 2020 at 12:23:24 PM permalink
Thanks for the feedback. I see I forgot to properly leave a link. Here it is -- 3 Giving 8.

That omission may explain the results of the poll so far:

It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
unJon
unJon
Joined: Jul 1, 2018
  • Threads: 14
  • Posts: 2837
August 24th, 2020 at 12:40:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks for the feedback. I see I forgot to properly leave a link. Here it is -- 3 Giving 8.

That omission may explain the results of the poll so far:


Wiz, how often would this be +EV if you counted 8s?
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
Ace2
Ace2
Joined: Oct 2, 2017
  • Threads: 24
  • Posts: 1036
August 24th, 2020 at 12:56:16 PM permalink
For infinite deck 200 to 1:

1 - (25+16*5)16 / 13^5 * 201 = 9.05% edge
Itís all about making that GTA
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1387
  • Posts: 23271
August 24th, 2020 at 2:54:48 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Wiz, how often would this be +EV if you counted 8s?



Good question. Thus, the "Is this countable?" choice in the poll. Perhaps I'll answer that, which would be a solid day of work.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
unJon
unJon
Joined: Jul 1, 2018
  • Threads: 14
  • Posts: 2837
August 24th, 2020 at 3:07:42 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Good question. Thus, the "Is this countable?" choice in the poll. Perhaps I'll answer that, which would be a solid day of work.

Thats what I voted for!
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
ThatDonGuy
ThatDonGuy
Joined: Jun 22, 2011
  • Threads: 105
  • Posts: 4920
Thanks for this post from:
MattUK
August 24th, 2020 at 4:06:29 PM permalink
For counting 8s, here's what I get after 50 million 8-deck shoes:

8s In The ShoeHouse Edge% of hands
325.5152.159
316.1962.937
306.4513.089
296.383.108
286.3423.11
276.4673.11
266.4063.11
256.3453.11
246.0563.11
236.3933.109
226.3553.11
216.1853.109
206.4643.109
196.3743.11
186.4283.11
175.823.11
166.0643.11
156.3583.11
146.273.11
136.2373.11
126.123.109
116.3213.11
106.2093.11
96.243.109
86.1583.109
76.4523.11
66.0653.109
56.4923.11
46.2563.11
36.2763.109
28.593.087
127.692.878
01001.891


Apparently, the best time to play is at the start of a new shoe, assuming none of the 8s were burned.

  • Jump to: