BleedingChipsSlowly
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December 22nd, 2021 at 8:40:41 AM permalink
I saw a Pai Gow tile hand played at Mohegan Sun yesterday that seemed to involve a side bet. Instead of interrupting the game with a question about the side bet, I revisited the pit this morning and asked a dealer that was setting up her table. She did not know of the bet, and neither did the pit boss. The hand had a black token wagered placed behind the stack. The player displayed a Gee Joon and Teen tile to the dealer, which was acknowledged. He then returned those two tiles to his unorganized stack and put another $100 token on top of the stack. To resolve the bets, the dealer moved the token from the top of the stack, keeping it separate from the original bet, then arranged the player’s tiles into two winning hands and paid even money on both bets. Can anyone explain what that side bet was?
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Mission146
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December 22nd, 2021 at 9:32:12 AM permalink
Might it have possibly been a toke bet that wasn't put in the right spot?

If this question is ignorant, do forgive me, I have never played or observed live Pai Gow Tiles.
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BleedingChipsSlowly
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December 22nd, 2021 at 10:01:56 AM permalink
Placed after stacks distributed and viewed. Kept, along with payout, by player. So no.
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December 22nd, 2021 at 4:06:13 PM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

I saw a Pai Gow tile hand played at Mohegan Sun yesterday that seemed to involve a side bet. Instead of interrupting the game with a question about the side bet, I revisited the pit this morning and asked a dealer that was setting up her table. She did not know of the bet, and neither did the pit boss. The hand had a black token wagered placed behind the stack. The player displayed a Gee Joon and Teen tile to the dealer, which was acknowledged. He then returned those two tiles to his unorganized stack and put another $100 token on top of the stack. To resolve the bets, the dealer moved the token from the top of the stack, keeping it separate from the original bet, then arranged the player’s tiles into two winning hands and paid even money on both bets. Can anyone explain what that side bet was?
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When you say ‘paid even money on both bets’, did the dealer not take out the requisite commission on both separate bets? Or only on one? Or on neither?

If the answer is neither, it is possible the player was prepaying a commission. Some tables allow, for example, a green chip placed on top of 5 blacks. If the player wins he keeps his $525, and is paid $500 for his win. Is it possible he was betting $2k and ‘capped’ it with a single black chip!?
The timing sounds off any way you look at it.
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December 22nd, 2021 at 6:25:44 PM permalink
Original and second bet both $100. First one placed in the betting circle for a hand, the second on the tile stack. I did not see a commission taken for either bet.

Visited the tribal gaming office. They had no answer and directed me to the shift manager. He speculated I saw a Pair Fortune side bet, but that doesn’t pass the sniff test. The bet was placed after the tiles were viewed, not in the side bet spot, and the payout didn’t match the Pair Fortune table. I have the impression I’m turning over rocks that are best left undisturbed, so I’m letting this go.
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December 22nd, 2021 at 6:39:36 PM permalink
Good move. It sounds like the dealer giving the player favorable treatment, for one reason or another and is best left to them and the casino itself. Not your job.
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