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rdw4potus
December 22nd, 2020 at 9:32:00 AM permalink
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That search result is a 3 year old marketing blog from the maker of rapid fire slots. It isn't current. It also relates to machines with physical reels. Video slots are much faster. You would know that if you had done any actual research.


Rdw you should know by now that USPG is too good to do research.
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December 22nd, 2020 at 10:04:51 AM permalink
USPG; how much would you like to bet that I can go to a random casino tonight and film 5 totally different machines which are faster than 1.5 seconds per spin?
rdw4potus
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December 22nd, 2020 at 10:20:42 AM permalink
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Rdw you should know by now that USPG is too good to do research.



I just can't imagine wanting to make a product and not conducting any sort of market analysis. I'll leave the peasant/Raphael thing alone, except to say that I prefer serf or peon to peasant. But, regardless of the type of product or service being designed, that research and analysis is absolutely critical. It helps shape the product, helps with marketing/placement, helps with funding since some sort of actual viability analysis is required for venture and angel investment. And if USPG lacks the skills to do the research or market analysis directly, that's fine. Maybe he really should be focusing on math and game design. But there are a few dozen firms who do this research in a wide variety of industries on a service/consulting basis. $25k buys a pretty great report, complete with survey/panel and early product feedback.

As far as the game itself goes, I have a series of questions. I'm going to write them today lest I forget. if someone thinks it's poking too hard at a suspended member, please let me know or redact it as appropriate. One of the key aspects of royal slots is 9 discrete spinning reels, one for each spot on the 3x3 grid. That's cool. It should be 3x5 or 4x5, but whatever. Question is: how does that physically fit in the cabinet? There's room for 9 independent physical spinning elements? How? At first I thought the answer would be virtual reels or video slots; but, then USPG pushed again about rapid fire slots, which is a physical reel concept, so now I'm not so sure.

In fact, let's make those queries into math questions for the board. I have a 3x3 slot with physical reels. Each spot on the screen spins independently, so my game has 9 reels. My game also has 100 symbols. Each symbol appears 1 time on every reel. The space for each symbol on each reel is 3.5 inches tall and 2 inches wide.
So, questions:
1. What is the total vertical size I need for the game array:
a. in the cabinet (1r back from the screen)?
b. on the screen itself, measured from the top of the top displayed symbol to the bottom of the bottom displayed symbol?
2. What is the total horizontal size needed for the game array if I want to keep a 16:9 aspect ratio, measured from the upper left corner of the upper left displayed symbol to the lower right of the lower right displayed symbol?
3. Let's say I include 6 inches of dead space on either side of my screen, to support line numbering, win/loss results, pays information, etc. - what is the total width of my main screen?
4. Let's say I include a top screen that shares the width of my bottom screen and is 18 inches tall. This screen shows the game's name, royal slots branding, side-game triggering info, copyright info, etc. This screen is also the one where I'll show my required rules and pays information when the "more info" button is pressed on the console. How large is my overall game?
a. Does my game fit into a standard cabinet?
5. Let's say I realize that my only hope of placement is to adapt and offer a 3x5 and/or 4x5 solution. How large does the cabinet need to be in those scenarios? Does my game fit in anything approaching a standard cabinet then?
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rdw4potus
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December 22nd, 2020 at 10:23:50 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

USPG; how much would you like to bet that I can go to a random casino tonight and film 5 totally different machines which are faster than 1.5 seconds per spin?



I think you'd want to agree on some definitions first. Most critically, USPG doesn't like mini games or side games. For the purposes of this challenge, I think you'd have to agree to disregard the suspense spins for those games. For example, I told USPG that buffalo diamond was faster than 1 sec/spin. And it is - except for the delays when a diamond falls on reel 5. That increases the average far more than I'd anticipated. But, it's also not related to the game's ability to spin fast. It can, it just pauses to try to add an interesting element when the free games amounts increase.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
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December 22nd, 2020 at 9:32:02 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I think you'd want to agree on some definitions first. Most critically, USPG doesn't like mini games or side games. For the purposes of this challenge, I think you'd have to agree to disregard the suspense spins for those games. For example, I told USPG that buffalo diamond was faster than 1 sec/spin. And it is - except for the delays when a diamond falls on reel 5. That increases the average far more than I'd anticipated. But, it's also not related to the game's ability to spin fast. It can, it just pauses to try to add an interesting element when the free games amounts increase.


Thanks for the input! We can work out the details if he actually wants to bet but I think we both know that will never happen.
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December 24th, 2020 at 8:14:26 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

USPG; how much would you like to bet that I can go to a random casino tonight and film 5 totally different machines which are faster than 1.5 seconds per spin?


I would bet zero on this prop. I played a slot last night. I was able to spin 46 times per minute (1.3 sec / spin) with the 'stop reel' feature. It had three physical reels and no side game -- just a MH jackpot. Video slots should be faster, but the 3x5 IGT slot that I played maxed out at 32 spins per second. AGS is very fast and has the 'stop reel' feature turned on by default. I just have not played an AGS slot in many months.
mcallister3200
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December 24th, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM permalink
Quote: WTflush

Thanks for the input! We can work out the details if he actually wants to bet but I think we both know that will never happen.


I agree itís difficult to make bets with members who are suspended and canít respond.
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January 2nd, 2021 at 12:18:38 AM permalink
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/35505-wov-challenges/#post790878
Math is the only true form of knowledge
USpapergames
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January 2nd, 2021 at 12:27:58 AM permalink
Quote: Mental

You are right! Archimedes did not study other theories of buoyancy. Newton did not study other Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica.. Lovelace did not study other Analytical Engines. Darwin did not study other theories of evolution. Einstein did not research other theories of special relativity.

You are definitely on the right path to success and glory.



The problem is that your logic is flawed. The fallacy is that your actually proving my point!!! Again, all that is required of study is the math & science of game design, which I have proven over and over again to you guys. The fallacy begins with you comparing math & science to art!!! That's correct & your mind is probably blown 💥 since your lack of knowledge in this area is staggering. But the only thing I would be learning from researching various slot machines is the art of how they choose to design their program (& I'm not talking artwork, game design is half a science & half an art form). Again I know all the science, math, & player phycology of slot machines. Name one famous artist who looked for inspiration in inferior artwork!!! Again the design of my slot machine is superior, why would I ever want to be inspired by an inferior product??? What your saying is pure nonsense, you just slapped some famous math & scientist together to try and prove a point when you should have been looking at artists to compare how they study fine art.
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Math is the only true form of knowledge
USpapergames
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January 2nd, 2021 at 12:49:07 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

That search result is a 3 year old marketing blog from the maker of rapid fire slots. It isn't current. It also relates to machines with physical reels. Video slots are much faster. You would know that if you had done any actual research.



Well your too clever for me to fool you. I love how you always research everything I post! 🏆 Your right that I have already designed a physical slot machine for Royal Slots. I shouldn't even be saying that since I want to take over the industry from out of know where. But I don't think it matters because even tho your much smarter than I anticipated, I don't think you clever enough to figure pig how I'm going to do it since I can tell you already see issues with physical reels. What's crazy is that my design actually removes a lot of things that every slot machine uses & installs multiple new technologies that have never been used for entertainment purposes. Ya, I'm sure your 🤯 right now but ill leave you another hint since I'm a better Riddler than a Mad Hatter.

This slot machine is missing the ticking of a clock.
Math is the only true form of knowledge

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