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December 21st, 2020 at 9:39:19 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Your point is valid.

But....... The only thing that matters here in the real world, though, is not what YOU think of your game design skills, but what someone who would hire you thinks of them, right? Let us know when you either get a job designing such games, or actually design one on your own that someone will actually pay you for. Once again, good luck!



Nope, and I'll explain why it doesn't matter what someone who hires me thinks about my game design skills. In fact, it truly doesn't matter, in the long run, if nobody thinks my game design skills are good. The reason why I can say this and be correct is because not all games are subjective, & I suggest you really look up that words definition before responding ;)

The fact is, Royal Slots will replace your standard slot machines the second a cabinet is available for sale. Nobody needs to understand my game design skills to make this happen, all the casino operators need to do is check the RIO of Royal Slots & compare it to any other slot machine on the floor to discover why Royal Slots is so superior.

So I'll give you the definition of subjectivity to help you out since you've been so nice lately. I think an example will help. So Breaking Bad is considered to be 1 of the greatest tv series but did you know it was rejected over 50 times by networks? Why, because the series is completely subjective in that the only way an audience member is going to watch the show is if they enjoy being entertained by the show itself. Whether that's the story of the characters, the theme or whatever. So the problem with selling something subjective is that it's difficult to tell whether it will be a success or not. The season finale had more views than the Superbowl yet its viewership never surpassed 2% of the world's viewers, yet that's a huge success! But if for example,, I were to take a show like Saturday night live & classify it, I would say it's primarily a none subjective show, because the show has celebrity guests who attract audience members that don't watch the show on a regular basis. Basically, if an audience member can watch your show because they are a fan of something else which is not related to the show & doesn't watch when that something is not present in the show, than the show would be considered not subjective. If a show is not subjective you can literally calculate an estimate of how many audience members will watch your show based on the popularity of adding an already established fan base of entertainers, icons, brands & the list goes on.

Now that you understand the difference in subjectivity, games are literally categorized the same way & a good example of games that are highly subjective are any kids games since the mechanics & game design elements aren't going to be as appealing to whatever the theme is. I'm sorry, but Candyland could always be more appealing to your kid over shoots & ladders just because of theme alone, even tho the game mechanics offer the player no game choices. Now there are a lot of adult games that a 100% subjective, but there are plenty of casino games which are not subjective. Remember that the way to tell if the game is subjective is to simply ask yourself can a player not like the game & still want to play? Remember that if there is any example of a player that would still play a game they didn't like then the game is automatically non-subjective. From a game operating perspective, none of the games are subjective to them & the bottom line is all that matters.

So a good example of a nonsubjective casino game is poker. You see it all the time where poker players are playing out of pride & are streaming over losses trying to get unstuck. But you also see it from the pro side, like me where I literally am bored with poker & the game has stopped becoming fun but yet I still play because I want to make money. Couldn't get a better example since I almost hate poker but still actively play it.

Royal Slots is completely nonsubjective game & players will flock to it even if they hate the game (which I doubt) they would still play it for the gph speed alone, especially if Royal Slots was combined with a side game that they liked. What I am saying is that it's already a fact that Royal Slots is going to bear out the competition because the game is not subjective with a superior design which has benefits, both to the players & operators that can't be found in any other casino game. Basically, it's just a matter of time when Royal Slots gets to the casino market & takes over that part of the industry, no luck needed ;)

P.S. All the info we discussed on this thread will be in my latest publication. I am making a book that completely covers are the aspects of game design from every current game industry.
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December 21st, 2020 at 9:56:49 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

As you seem to be unable to figure out the top five machines, how about if DRich spoonfeeds them to you. If he gives you a list of five games, that will save you hours and make your task much easier. I'm sure Drich will go along with this concession.



I've got a good feeling DRich already knows what the best slot machines are & is just itching to prove me wrong. The problem is I would have no idea if they were the best slot machines since I would have to compare them to the remaining thousands :/
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December 21st, 2020 at 10:25:47 AM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

I've got a good feeling DRich already knows what the best slot machines are & is just itching to prove me wrong. The problem is I would have no idea if they were the best slot machines since I would have to compare them to the remaining thousands :/



You wouldn't and I'm pretty sure you know that. It was a pretty straightforward challenge that anyone with sufficient skills should be able to do fairly easily.
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December 21st, 2020 at 10:43:30 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

You wouldn't and I'm pretty sure you know that. It was a pretty straightforward challenge that anyone with sufficient skills should be able to do fairly easily.



Well I'm up for the challenge if DRich is. But I'm going on the record stating this is nothing but a waste of time :/
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December 21st, 2020 at 11:33:55 AM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

I believe the opposite, that if you like the game at all then it's really good since your opinion of me is obviously rubbing off on your opinion of Royal Slots. Thank you for the introduction to ZenKing, I'll be sure to keep an eye out. Btw for someone who isn't a game designer you certainly like trying to disprove me instead of learning from me ;)



Unless you know something about an AP play that I don't, then I don't have anything to learn from you. Nothing that you do in terms of game design concerns me until such time that you produce a game that comes out and is beatable...or at least useable for me in certain situations.

As far as my opinion of you on a personal level goes, I don't have an opinion of you. I don't believe that we've ever really spoken outside of this thread and I'm not going to form an opinion of you based on our interactions in one thread.
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December 21st, 2020 at 12:05:33 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Unless you know something about an AP play that I don't, then I don't have anything to learn from you. Nothing that you do in terms of game design concerns me until such time that you produce a game that comes out and is beatable...or at least useable for me in certain situations.

As far as my opinion of you on a personal level goes, I don't have an opinion of you. I don't believe that we've ever really spoken outside of this thread and I'm not going to form an opinion of you based on our interactions in one thread.



Thank you, I'm giving you the trophy for not only winning the pop quiz but also be in the only thread member to correctly find another AP plausible slot game. I seriously thought I had nailed the question because nobody could think of an example after I gave the UK slots answer, very impressive 👌

Because of you I'm not thinking of new ways to attract AP players ;) BTW I also refrain from judgment until I get to know the person on a personal level.
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December 21st, 2020 at 12:16:38 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Well I'm up for the challenge if DRich is. But I'm going on the record stating this is nothing but a waste of time :/



I really don't see it as a challenge. I just want input on what is making the five games currently the best selling. I admit, I don't know and just want to see what your superior mind comes up with. You said you don't even need to play them just see them to understand them.
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December 21st, 2020 at 12:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I really don't see it as a challenge. I just want input on what is making the five games currently the best selling. I admit, I don't know and just want to see what your superior mind comes up with. You said you don't even need to play them just see them to understand them.



Yes, there is a catch tho. Games can be very subjective & what I might find fun is not what others will find fun. That being said I've done enough research to determine what your average stot player finds fun plus I can analyze any of the non-subjective elements of the game to determine what would be best for the players and operators. Why not just give me 5 of what you believe are the best slot machines & I'll review them & give my opinion on which one is the best?
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December 21st, 2020 at 12:39:31 PM permalink
Quote: USpapergames

Yes, there is a catch tho. Games can be very subjective & what I might find fun is not what others will find fun. That being said I've done enough research to determine what your average stot player finds fun plus I can analyze any of the non-subjective elements of the game to determine what would be best for the players and operators. Why not just give me 5 of what you believe are the best slot machines & I'll review them & give my opinion on which one is the best?



I don't care about you opinion on which one you think is best. You are not the target audience. I want to know the metrics of why casino patrons seem to think these are the best. If you plan to sell something you have to understand the audience. Our opinions mean nothing.
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December 21st, 2020 at 12:44:27 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't care about you opinion on which one you think is best. You are not the target audience. I want to know the metrics of why casino patrons seem to think these are the best. If you plan to sell something you have to understand the audience. Our opinions mean nothing.



Sir, you didn't read my comment. I said I understand the slot audience very well, which means I'm betting I could come up with a more accurate way of scoring every slot machine on the market than the G2E awards. The problem is I would need to spend the time researching every slot machine on the market to actually complete the task :/
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