mcallister3200
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July 18th, 2019 at 9:56:42 PM permalink
A few casinos where dealers keep their own tokes and do fairly well virtually all dealers are dual rates. Del Sol in Tucson and some Blackhawk casinos are like that.
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July 18th, 2019 at 10:55:46 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

A few casinos where dealers keep their own tokes and do fairly well virtually all dealers are dual rates. Del Sol in Tucson and some Blackhawk casinos are like that.



At Del Sol they keep half and pool half. The Director was recently fired for stealing from the pooled half for many years.


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mcallister3200
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July 18th, 2019 at 10:59:23 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

At Del Sol they keep half and pool half. The Director was recently fired for stealing from the pooled half for many years.


ZCore13



Interesting. I havenít been there for half a decade, I do recall pretty much everyone being a dual rate from the
2-3 days I played there at that time. Probably first Iíve heard of a casino doing half and half like that for tokes. Was under the impression that vast majority of Arizona casinos dealers go for their own, leads to having some absolutely terrific dealers and some gross hustlers.
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July 19th, 2019 at 1:51:29 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Interesting. I havenít been there for half a decade, I do recall pretty much everyone being a dual rate from the
2-3 days I played there at that time. Probably first Iíve heard of a casino doing half and half like that for tokes. Was under the impression that vast majority of Arizona casinos dealers go for their own, leads to having some absolutely terrific dealers and some gross hustlers.



I would say more than 50% pool. Desert Diamond Casinos, Gila River Casinos, Twin Arrows in Flagstaff and Casino Arizona Casinos keep their own. Most others pool. Not sure about Harrah's Ak Chin. I think they pool.


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July 19th, 2019 at 2:28:05 AM permalink
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A good dealer makes more than a pit boss. In my industry, bartenders rarely become management because it pays less. Same in casinos.
They eliminate more than half the candidates, and wonder why people who weren't top notch at their old job suck more at their new job.
Do casinos ever hire pitiless's that weren't dealers?



A big issue is licensing. When I tried craps school they told us the Boxman had to have a year under their belt to get licensed. This will limit "off the street" hires. The other problem is there is no substitute for time. From working the parties I probably have 200-300 hours of craps "experience." I know the game better than probably 90% of dealers on their first days on the job, But that does not mean I can sit box, because weird stuff comes up.

Not craps but poker I was once in a game where the dealer called the floor. Floor ruled without incident. But it was a weird issue that none of us at the table had seen. I mentioned to people in the conversation, "and that is why you need at least a year dealing to be a floorman." Just no substitute for seeing things. It is true in my job where I point out things to new people, it is true on the casino floor. An MBA will not last a shift bossing a pit without experience.
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July 19th, 2019 at 3:19:13 AM permalink
I just think it's a silly system that basically rewards mediocrity. I've met many superior dealers in my time, and only one of them became a boss. Funny thing was the first time I met him, he said he was going to school. When I asked him what he was studying, he replied he was studying because he wants his name on a casino. He was a few years out of High school but I wouldn't bet against him. He disappeared about two years ago, so I lost track of him.
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July 19th, 2019 at 4:08:42 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I just think it's a silly system that basically rewards mediocrity. I've met many superior dealers in my time, and only one of them became a boss. Funny thing was the first time I met him, he said he was going to school. When I asked him what he was studying, he replied he was studying because he wants his name on a casino. He was a few years out of High school but I wouldn't bet against him. He disappeared about two years ago, so I lost track of him.



Life rewards mediocrity. Thing is when you move into management you really see the dark side. You must sell your soul to move up in almost any organization. You must be willing to charge the hill and lose half your regiment without questioning things. In a casino the trip from dealer to first-line supervisor is not all that tough. As we have seen on these boards, occasionally you are told "up or out." But then it gets tricky.

Four Boxmen vie to be one Pit Boss. Four Pit Bosses vie to be one Shift Boss. And so on. In these lower steps conformity is what gets you ahead. If one has been in management they know the feeling of someone above telling them to do something that has failed a number of times before. I remember the line where I worked was, "well, it is different now because I'M HERE NOW!" As if that changes how the market works.

If you want to be promoted, you shut up and do. What they tell you to do may cost you your job and career, not doing it will cost them for sure. If you are lucky you hang in the trenches and succeed just enough to not get clipped and collect your check every week. Maybe you get promoted next, then you get to be told bigger orders that you must follow.

Only way out is to work for yourself. There are smaller casinos for sale for a few million. Find a way to raise the money then go on your own. Long shot, but so is getting to be casino manager.
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billryan
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July 19th, 2019 at 7:11:29 AM permalink
Why don't they simply borrow money from their Dad? Seems to have worked out well for some.
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July 19th, 2019 at 2:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

What incentive does a casino provide for a dealer to accept a promotion to table supervisor? I see it happen often.




Well in my case, I did not want to be a dealer for 30+ years.

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July 19th, 2019 at 2:15:54 PM permalink
There are exactly 3 casinos in Las Vegas that keep their own tokes. Everyone else pools.

Silverton
Ellis Island
Hooters

Only 1 of these is considered a good job.
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