Do casinos ban players using Basic Strategy?
Has anybody on this forum has been banned from a casino for using 100% accurate Basic Strategy
Quote: PinkJackCasinos ban card counters. But wanna know how they respond to players using BS. If you've been spotted playing for 4-5 hrs straight using only BS. Will you get banned?
Has anybody on this forum has been banned from a casino for using 100% accurate Basic Strategy
Anecdotally, yes, non-counting BS players say they have been banned simply for winning too much. May have been some inadvertent cues to those watching along the way for some of them - perhaps raising their bet to chase a good run of cards that echoed what a counter would do or something.
Quote: PinkJackCasinos ban card counters. But wanna know how they respond to players using BS. If you've been spotted playing for 4-5 hrs straight using only BS. Will you get banned?
Has anybody on this forum has been banned from a casino for using 100% accurate Basic Strategy
On one hand, they can ban you for any reason.
OTOH, they sell the BS cards in the gift shop and some let people use them at the table as long as they do not slow the game down.
IMHO, win too much after playing that long and do not be surprised if you get a tap. Might not ban you, might just offer you a meal to take a break. All depends.
Quote: beachbumbabsAnecdotally, yes, non-counting BS players say they have been banned simply for winning too much. May have been some inadvertent cues to those watching along the way for some of them - perhaps raising their bet to chase a good run of cards that echoed what a counter would do or something.
I strongly disagree. At least at my casinos, if you’re not sure of the proper move the dealer will advise basic strategy. “Is this a split?” “Yeah that could be a good split” or “Not typically but that’s why it’s called gambling”
How would they even say “you’re being removed for flat betting, and hitting and standing at the right times according to BS”
If BS broke the game we wouldn’t be playing it still. In my experience anyone who says they’ve been walked off for winning too much are assholes who also just happen to have alcohol shut offs. Hmmmm...
There was one time and one time only I told the assistant shift boss a player was counting. His answer: “but he’s losing.” Same moron after seeing me offer even money said to not offer even money unless player requests it because it “costs the casino money.” Tried to explain the math of that one for about 15 seconds before I could see he wasn’t going to agree, never bothered to listen to anything he had to say from that point forward.
Casinos in LV that have frequently backed off losing players currently winning: almost anywhere downtown, Gold Coast, south point, treasure island, eastside cannery. Places that would rather back off four losing players than let one winning player play an hour or so for a real evaluation.
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Quote: mcallister3200Really just depends on the casino and how bad they sweat the money, particular shift boss, if you’re betting is beyond their comfort level. I was a dealer for less than a year total, and saw two occasions of recreational craps players on hot rolls backed off, downtown LV. One of the most ridiculous things you can see. If you randomly or in a progression vary your bets it increases the likelihood, as well as demographic factors that make it more or less likely.
There was one time and one time only I told the assistant shift boss a player was counting. His answer: “but he’s losing.” Same moron after seeing me offer even money said to not offer even money unless player requests it because it “costs the casino money.” Tried to explain the math of that one for about 15 seconds before I could see he wasn’t going to agree, never bothered to listen to anything he had to say from that point forward.
Casinos in LV that have frequently backed off losing players currently winning: almost anywhere downtown, Gold Coast, south point, treasure island, eastside cannery. Places that would rather back off four losing players than let one winning player play an hour or so for a real evaluation.
^ This
I was dealing to a player who would lose at least $10k (usually $20k) in a trip by betting hop bets, field bets, etc. (those are the worst bets on the craps table). Player was known to continuously play until he lost it all, even if he was up $40k.
Another instance, shift boss was giving a double deck BJ player heat, insinuating he’s counting, saying they know what he’s doing, etc. Boss was in break room during my break, I played dumb and asked what was going on. Boss says player was counting (he clearly wasn’t, unless hitting 14v4 with a big bet out is what counter do <chuckle>), just increased his bet every round. Later boss said he could do whatever he wanted on the 6 deck game because it’s impossible to count 327 cards (or some odd number that’s not 312).
On craps, had a guy betting $100 on pass and $100 on don’t pass, then sometimes take odds on one side or the other (usually not though, if he wasn’t feeling it). Boxperson wouldn’t rate the player because “there’s no way he can win, only lose”. WTF??? That’s the exact kind of player you want in your casino!!!
Casinos and many employees are not that smart.
Quote: GBAMI strongly disagree. At least at my casinos, if you’re not sure of the proper move the dealer will advise basic strategy. “Is this a split?” “Yeah that could be a good split” or “Not typically but that’s why it’s called gambling”
How would they even say “you’re being removed for flat betting, and hitting and standing at the right times according to BS”
This would be great at Spanish 21. Even though the game is not new, I have not seen a dealer yet who knows SP21 BS, let alone more refined moves. And players are so incredibly bad. Go ahead and ask advice from a dealer, they don't know squat.
Reminds me of live poker when the dealers are off their shift and you have a table full of "white shirts". Usually pretty juicy. Same goes for floormen.
