Dealt 4 to a royal flush odds
April 2nd, 2019 at 9:39:14 PM
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What are the odds of being dealt 4 to a royal flush, example akq10 of clubs and then drawing 96 hands with zero royal flush???? Or is this rigged?
April 3rd, 2019 at 12:13:21 AM
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Not hard at all. You should have had a little over 2.Quote: JoeleselyWhat are the odds of being dealt 4 to a royal flush, example akq10 of clubs and then drawing 96 hands with zero royal flush???? Or is this rigged?
Is this single line VP? If so, did you hit any royals on other draws? if not that would be over 6 cycles(depending how you play) still possible.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 4:25:47 AM
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Quote: JoeleselyWhat are the odds of being dealt 4 to a royal flush, example akq10 of clubs and then drawing 96 hands with zero royal flush???? Or is this rigged?
The probability of not getting a royal flush within the first 96 draws to 4 to a royal is 13%.
A very good approximate formula for the probability of not getting a royal in a particular number of cycles, N, is: P = e-N
96 is 2.04 cycles. (2.04=96/47) So, the probability is: e-2.04=0.13
The bad news is that you still have a 13% chance of not getting a royal in the next 96.
April 3rd, 2019 at 7:14:42 AM
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should be easy to calculate the PROBABILITY using a calculator.Quote: JoeleselyWhat are the odds of being dealt 4 to a royal flush, example akq10 of clubs
(someone else can explain 'odds' that are related to probability but is not the same as)
gp > (binomial(4,1)*binomial(5,4)*binomial(47,1))/binomial(52,5)
%1 = 47/129948
gp > 1.*%1
%2 = 0.00036168313479237848985748145412010958229
gp > 1/%2
%3 = 2764.8510638297872340425531914893617021
(binomial(4,1)*binomial(5,4)*binomial(47,1))/binomial(52,5)
in words
4 suits that can be the Royal (4choose1)
5 ways to choose the 4 ranks of the Royal (5choose4)
that leaves 48 cards for the last on the deal, but 1 of them is the 5th card to complete the Royal.
47 cards remain choose 1 = 47
47*5*4/combin(52,5)= 940/2598960=47/129948=the probability
about 1 chance in 2,765
1 chance in 47 of getting that 5th Royal complete card (I am well over 100 times without any Royal in that situation)Quote: Joeleselyand then drawing 96 hands with zero royal flush????
that means 46/47 is the chance(probability) of NOT getting the 5th card to hit the Royal.
(46/47)^96=0.1268695734152(rounded)
about 1 in 7.8821 (10 in 79 or even 100 in 788)
no, just my opinionQuote: JoeleselyOr is this rigged?
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
April 3rd, 2019 at 8:25:59 AM
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What's the max draws on 4 royal to complete royal guaranteed? 1/1000?
April 3rd, 2019 at 4:47:36 PM
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According to your math a little over 1000 draws would be 0.00%?
April 3rd, 2019 at 4:48:46 PM
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According to your math a little over 1000 draws would be 0.00% of not getting the royal?
April 3rd, 2019 at 4:56:07 PM
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Not single line. I played 96 times. I got 4 to a royal dealt and discarded the 5th and it dealt 96 times the 5th card.
April 3rd, 2019 at 5:25:26 PM
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there really is no guarantee. It happens when it happensQuote: JoeleselyWhat's the max draws on 4 royal to complete royal guaranteed? 1/1000?
because the event is an independent event
(unless the code in the machine is rigged like it was done in Vegas back in the late 1980s.
The American Coin Caper. Book: Licence to Steal. Can be found in Google books.)
(46/47)^1000= 4.5706055837236273344319610670313054778 E-10
about 1 in 2,187,893,884
I went almost 20 years before I got that 5th card for the Royal. (Age 21 to age 40)
Forget now how many rounds that was but it was a lot.
My best effort was when I lived in Reno and got 3 Royals in the same afternoon at 3 different casinos.
could not have been more 1,000 rounds played. And they were all on Deuces Wild. just 2 of them needed that 5th card to complete.
One Royal, after they paid me the progressive, the very next hand was dealt 3 Deuces, and yep, the 4th fell! My wife screamed at me because I was winning so much and she could only muster a few 4oaks!
one almost never knows when that Royal will hit.
My last 16 Royals, 15 have been when I needed 2 cards to complete
and 1 was just a few weeks ago when I needed 3 to complete. (In Hearts)
hope this helps
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
April 3rd, 2019 at 5:32:48 PM
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Thanks for the reply I'm not sure if you understood but I've played vp that runs each hand 96times and even royal won't pay 800x bet it gets divided by 96 hand vs bet. So royalhitting on 1 of the 96wins doesn't put me that much ahead. In fact in one casino online I played each hand 500 times and 1royal hitting in 500 plays less then 2x my bet lol. So not hitting royalwhen drawing each hand 500x times is terrible cause it hardly pays. The only time i would get 800x is if i got a dealt royal or if all 500 hit royal lol . But anyway i didnt hit 3 royals in over 3 cycles then 3royals hit in a 53 draw 4 to royal. Also had 3 to a royal hit 2x royal on 53 hands/draws lol.
April 3rd, 2019 at 5:37:29 PM
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And btw i think you're right there is no guarantee! Mathematically you can have 4 to a royal and draw the fifth card a 2 1 million times lol.
April 3rd, 2019 at 5:40:41 PM
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Although i think the higher the numbers get the more it will come out to 1/47 and not likely to be 1/1m or whatever, nevertheless it's possible.
April 3rd, 2019 at 6:27:12 PM
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It might help if you name the online casino(i can think of one that has crazy games like that). Is this for real money?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 3rd, 2019 at 6:28:30 PM
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No it's for practice online.
April 3rd, 2019 at 6:37:12 PM
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Btw i have small question while we are here anyway. I once read that full pay double bonus poker is avail in some real casinos for real money. (Source wizzard of odds and payback is over 100% assuming optimal strategy, which in my opinion is difficult since optimal double bonus poker has too many exceptions to basic strategy vs jacks or better. although with optimal strategy payback is only 99.54% jacks or better has far less exceptions for optimal strategy. Example k10 suited vs 9 and other card is suited hold k alone. Or qj suited vs ak hold qj suited unless 9 or flush penalty ect.... but in double bonus poker there are way too many exceptions and harder to play optimal.) But nevertheless it's still possible to play double bonus poker with optimal strategy. So why would any casino offer a paytable thats over 100%??? Im having very hard time believing that. Casinos are a business not a handout.
April 3rd, 2019 at 6:40:53 PM
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Quote: JoeleselyNo it's for practice online.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 3rd, 2019 at 6:48:20 PM
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Because most people can't play optimally and some play really bad. If you were to see the average amount they are making on VP machines you would understand.Quote: JoeleselyBtw i have small question while we are here anyway. I once read that full pay double bonus poker is avail in some real casinos for real money. (Source wizzard of odds and payback is over 100% assuming optimal strategy, which in my opinion is difficult since optimal double bonus poker has too many exceptions to basic strategy vs jacks or better. although with optimal strategy payback is only 99.54% jacks or better has far less exceptions for optimal strategy. Example k10 suited vs 9 and other card is suited hold k alone. Or qj suited vs ak hold qj suited unless 9 or flush penalty ect.... but in double bonus poker there are way too many exceptions and harder to play optimal.) But nevertheless it's still possible to play double bonus poker with optimal strategy. So why would any casino offer a paytable thats over 100%??? Im having very hard time believing that. Casinos are a business not a handout.
Not many casinos offer good games anymore. Some games were set up as loss leaders. It's nice to be able to advertise we have over 100% payback machines.
Since most people don't like playing in a dead casino it's better to have people filling seats in your casino, even if you are losing a little bit from the smarter players.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
