PokerGrinder
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August 16th, 2018 at 1:45:28 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Ha.... it was like a $1-$2 game or something, played mostly for fun.

No way I'd sit down at a real poker table in a casino. It's just not my game.


I was just joking around 😊
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August 16th, 2018 at 2:20:35 PM permalink
Maybe this isn't the sort of answer that you might be looking for,, but I'd come up with a system for craps or other games (never mind any mathematical flaws), and sell it/them to others who are eager to believe in them.
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August 16th, 2018 at 2:29:57 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

Maybe this isn't the sort of anger that you might be looking for,, but I'd come up with a system for craps or other games (never mind any mathematical flaws), and sell it/them to others who are eager to believe in them.



Ooh, yeah, I like that idea... I'm gonna steal it. ;)
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August 16th, 2018 at 6:21:17 PM permalink
If I was 21 and knew very little about casinos and gambling I would start with blackjack. Do it similar to Zenking. Its the one game where all the information is easily available. Can start small and keep scaling upwards for a long time. A couple major differences from ZK though. A willingness and drive to find and add new opportunities. Can start with 25-cent 9-5-3-2-2-1 Deuces Wild on day one. And then just keep working to find more and more ways to earn more and more profits. Also find a job with the best, most enjoyable, most relaxing working conditions regardless of pay. It can be hard to be in the workforce and put in enough hours in a casino. It can also be hard to live off the casino without putting in hours in the workforce. So find a way to actually enjoy doing shifts at both places. Also consider Reno or Mesquite instead of Las Vegas
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August 16th, 2018 at 7:48:51 PM permalink
Some might argue that casino gambling is for chumps and small timers.

The real gambling gets done in the stock and real estate markets.

Buy low, sell high.
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August 16th, 2018 at 9:24:01 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

If I was 21 and knew very little about casinos and gambling I would start with blackjack. Do it similar to Zenking. Its the one game where all the information is easily available. Can start small and keep scaling upwards for a long time. A couple major differences from ZK though. A willingness and drive to find and add new opportunities. Can start with 25-cent 9-5-3-2-2-1 Deuces Wild on day one. And then just keep working to find more and more ways to earn more and more profits. Also find a job with the best, most enjoyable, most relaxing working conditions regardless of pay. It can be hard to be in the workforce and put in enough hours in a casino. It can also be hard to live off the casino without putting in hours in the workforce. So find a way to actually enjoy doing shifts at both places. Also consider Reno or Mesquite instead of Las Vegas

I may personally disagree with this. Though I have never counted cards, I would imagine though that it would be pretty easy for the casino to catch you. If you are playing without a card and/or non-locally and can easily leave when heat approaches without giving up ID, this may be ok. However if you play with a card, this can come back to haunt you. Not because you may not be able to play blackjack or you may lose a casino, but because you may lose something far worse - your name. I learned this the hard way and made mistakes early on that I can't change. It's no big deal to get backed off counting, but if your players card is taken away, that can hurt you with other opportunities. If you get flyered all over town and suddenly not welcome at a casino you've hardly played at, never found an opportunity, and possibly a lifetime loser at, it hurts you. This is even more true with casino chains. You lose one and often you lose them all. Your name is your most important asset.
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August 17th, 2018 at 12:28:10 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

I may personally disagree with this. Though I have never counted cards, I would imagine though that it would be pretty easy for the casino to catch you. If you are playing without a card and/or non-locally and can easily leave when heat approaches without giving up ID, this may be ok. However if you play with a card, this can come back to haunt you. Not because you may not be able to play blackjack or you may lose a casino, but because you may lose something far worse - your name. I learned this the hard way and made mistakes early on that I can't change. It's no big deal to get backed off counting, but if your players card is taken away, that can hurt you with other opportunities. If you get flyered all over town and suddenly not welcome at a casino you've hardly played at, never found an opportunity, and possibly a lifetime loser at, it hurts you. This is even more true with casino chains. You lose one and often you lose them all. Your name is your most important asset.



I think he means using a card on machines. At low levels it's worthwhile to put some play in places, since you'll be under the radar.
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August 19th, 2018 at 12:27:32 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think bonus hunting online is still worth doing. Many more sites are open to Americans and have good bonuses.

I would also be flexible to do anything, which usually is some kind of promotion abuse. It helps to be connected to a group if you go that direction.



You responded to a question about becoming a professional gambler that you posted on your Wizard of Odds site were you stated in my opinion you need a bankroll of at least three times the annual income you are accustomed to. How did you come up with this figure? Also, please show any math associated with it if you would be so kind.
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August 19th, 2018 at 2:07:04 PM permalink
Poker, no question, but not in Vegas. That's the big leagues with all the big names and people who do it for a living. I'm good at the game, but know my limitations. I'm an hour from the casinos in Blackawk-the minor leagues for sure, but I'd be good enough to play well there.

Also, I cannot get past the I thought that Vegas poker has tons of collusion going on between the players. I doubt that goes on up in the mountains here.
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August 19th, 2018 at 3:58:05 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

I think he means using a card on machines. At low levels it's worthwhile to put some play in places, since you'll be under the radar.



What's crazy is that in my original response I said absolutely nothing about using a players card. And then the disagreement comes after admitting zero experience. Either quoted the wrong person, poor reading/skimming skills, or like most of us is just an innate drive to disagree with everything on the internet

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On using a players card on blackjack: I always do and never have a problem because I keep frequency, duration, and max bets fairly low. For a hypothetical early 20s just starting out knowing nothing, I would say use it. A new player should take a little while to move past a $5 to $50 spread and at that level it's rare to get much heat or pushback. And staying at that level for a while to practice and build a bankroll might mean $100,000 to $200,000 or more in total action. Playing rated during that time should be worth at least an extra month of income with very little risk. And can learn comp hustling that has been talked about a lot here, which opens more doors. And once I start slowing increasing max bet, I can constantly be reevaluating the value of playing rated versus playing anonymously.

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