FleaStiff
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October 17th, 2010 at 6:57:02 AM permalink
The boxman will notice and also the boxman will notice that a hardway will get improperly left-up after a soft roll more often if the bettor has been a good tipper than if he has not.
It happens. Sometimes its an oversight. Sometimes its an oversight influenced by dealer attitudes.
Sometimes its a jammed up table sometimes its sheer boredom that makes a dealer "space out".

I once asked for a place bet and the dealer put my money behind the line as a lay bet. Doesn't he know the difference? Ofcourse he does. He simply gets into a habit since I had been doing that flat bet followed by lay bet all afternoon long. He expected it and he "heard" what he expected to hear. His hands did was his mind had prepared them to do. He has to deal with boredom on his job and often that is what leads to mistakes. Can you imagine how often his eyes scan the DontCome box and see nothing there because most players never put anything there? After a while his eye scan just doesn't see anything there.
miltonwinston
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October 17th, 2010 at 10:32:50 PM permalink
There are some mistakes players commitwhile playing craps game, some of those are already mentioned in the thread and the rest are:-

1 – Misunderstanding Averages
Many craps players misunderstand the law of averages and assume that the dice must somehow ‘correct’ themselves to favor all sides equally in the short term.

2 – Chasing Losses
You cannot win every time in the casino games. So don't be overconfident by placing the loosing bets.

3 – Don't be Greedy
Some time winning few bets make the player greedy; he thinks that it is his day and today he is not going to lose so he bet more money or sometimes all his money. Don't be like that. You can win on any bet and also loose on any bet.

4 – Set a Bankroll
It is always recommended to set a bankroll before betting. It can save you from becoming bankrupt, as you have already set the limit you can afford to lose.
focd
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October 18th, 2010 at 8:15:08 PM permalink
Is this a craps mistake?
When you have a place bet and on the come out roll that number is rolled. The dealer takes down your place bet without asking you and returns it to you. 99.9% of the dealers ask what you want to do with it if your place bet happens to be the point. I personally prefer that they take it down instead of moving it to another number or pressing it. Is this a mistake by the dealer to take down a bet without asking? I think this is really rare and probably no one has encountered it. Maybe the dealer is new or something.
mkl654321
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October 18th, 2010 at 8:28:26 PM permalink
Quote: focd

Is this a craps mistake?
When you have a place bet and on the come out roll that number is rolled. The dealer takes down your place bet without asking you and returns it to you. 99.9% of the dealers ask what you want to do with it if your place bet happens to be the point. I personally prefer that they take it down instead of moving it to another number or pressing it. Is this a mistake by the dealer to take down a bet without asking? I think this is really rare and probably no one has encountered it. Maybe the dealer is new or something.



If the player also has a pass line bet, most dealers will take that place bet down, because you would presumably want to use that money to take odds rather than leave it up as a place bet. For instance, if you had a place bet for $10 on the five, and that number becomes the point, you'd rather win $15 than $14. If the player doesn't have a pass line bet, dealers will almost always leave the place bet up, or ask you if you want to move it to the companion number.
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DJTeddyBear
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October 18th, 2010 at 8:31:53 PM permalink
FOCD -


This thread is about mistakes that cost you, or the casino, money.

This 'error' is a lack of customer service by taking it down without asking, but isn't really a mistake.

Did you have a pass line bet? If so, did you have all of your other normal numbers covered? If so, then taking it down is actually the most appropriate action, short of asking you what to do.
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focd
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October 18th, 2010 at 10:55:37 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

FOCD -


This thread is about mistakes that cost you, or the casino, money.


Yes, I was asking if taking a bet down without asking is a dealer mistake (I have never seen this happen before) and something that can potentially cost me money if the number happens to hit. It's on the same topic as the thread.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

This 'error' is a lack of customer service by taking it down without asking, but isn't really a mistake.


Isn't an error a mistake or something really close to a mistake? I wasn't sure before which is why I asked. Even though this is/might not be a mistake, I still feel that it is. I have never seen a dealer move someone's bet without asking. Even if it paid less, a bet is a bet. Just because it pays less doesn't really make it ok to remove someone's bet without asking. (at least in my opinion).

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Did you have a pass line bet? If so, did you have all of your other normal numbers covered? If so, then taking it down is actually the most appropriate action, short of asking you what to do.


I did have a line bet. I'm not doubting your knowledge of craps, but don't they usually ask if you want to move the chips over to another number by pressing it? Or even if most of the numbers aren't covered, they would ask if you want to move it somewhere else. On that day I did not have all the numbers covered. I'm not angry at the dealer for what they did, but if it DID HIT then I would be angry because I still feel they have no right to remove someone's bet without asking even if their intentions are good or it happens if it was a "dumb" bet that happens to pay less. Do you see dealers moving the big 6 and big 8 bets without asking customers? That's my point. And of course, there is only a problem if the player happens to be chatting or something and misses the fact that the dealer moved the bet. Otherwise, it is not a big deal as anyone can ask the dealer to put it back up.
DJTeddyBear
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October 19th, 2010 at 4:46:04 AM permalink
Quote: focd

Do you see dealers moving the big 6 and big 8 bets without asking customers? That's my point.

Hard to say. I've never seen a player MAKE that bet. Sure, I live in NJ where the Big 6/8 isn't even offered, but I've been to Vegas enough to know that I'd remember laughing to myself if a player ever made that bet.


Quote: focd

And of course, there is only a problem if the player happens to be chatting or something and misses the fact that the dealer moved the bet. Otherwise, it is not a big deal as anyone can ask the dealer to put it back up.

I was going to suggest that there is a chance you were distracted. Or that it was a rookie dealer.

For the record, I agree that you should have gotten asked, but do not qualify that as a mistake.

Often I'd ask to press my bet a unit, and the dealer would do exactly that. But occasionally, he either didn't hear me and paid me in full, or would press it all the way. No big deal. As long as I see where the chips are moving I can fix it before the next roll.

On the flip side, if he presses in full, I suddenly get a bad mojo about reducing it to what I intended, and end up leaving it as is.
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October 19th, 2010 at 5:11:38 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Hard to say. I've never seen a player MAKE that bet. Sure, I live in NJ where the Big 6/8 isn't even offered, but I've been to Vegas enough to know that I'd remember laughing to myself if a player ever made that bet.


But you're not understanding my point. Even if it is a stupid bet, dealers SHOULDN'T have the right to remove someone's bet without asking. What if I bent down to tie my shoelaces and all of a sudden my bet was gone. That doesn't sound right. Would you be happy if they removed those prop bets you made if you made them since they don't pay well and are sucker bets?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I was going to suggest that there is a chance you were distracted. Or that it was a rookie dealer.

For the record, I agree that you should have gotten asked, but do not qualify that as a mistake.


That's my question to begin with. Was this a rookie mistake? So are you saying that dealers have the right to remove patron's bets if they feel it is not a good one without asking? So is this your opionion that it's not a mistake or it's a confirmed fact? It seriously feels weird to me that a dealer can remove a bet without asking. This is because if the bet won then the player would be angry and ask - WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO REMOVE MY BET WITHOUT MY CONSENT! I'm guessing that would be a reaction if someone was betting big. So have dealers removed your bets without asking you?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Often I'd ask to press my bet a unit, and the dealer would do exactly that. But occasionally, he either didn't hear me and paid me in full, or would press it all the way. No big deal. As long as I see where the chips are moving I can fix it before the next roll.


It's not that simple sometimes. Sometimes people might order drinks and take their eyes off the table. 99.9999% of the players will assume the bets are going to be the way they are since they didn't instruct the dealer to make changes. I personally like it if they took it down automatically, but that's just not how dealers do it. They usually ask.
Ayecarumba
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October 19th, 2010 at 11:13:42 AM permalink
Quote: focd

99.9999% of the players will assume the bets are going to be the way they are since they didn't instruct the dealer to make changes. I personally like it if they took it down automatically, but that's just not how dealers do it. They usually ask.



Actually, most players will assume that, if they have a pass line bet, their place bet will be taken down. Most experienced dealers will catch on quickly if your preference is to be a "mover", or a "downer", and continue to do so in the future. I would not classify this as a "mistake", unless this is the first time your place bet became the new point.
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Ayecarumba
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October 19th, 2010 at 11:23:52 AM permalink
Quote: focd

What I don't get is what he meant by leaving room for the puck. So does he mean that if box is filled with bets, then the dealer can move the puck elsewhere? So how does a player know what the point in when joining midgame if this is so?



It would be very unusual for the Place/Come bets and the DC (Don't Come) boxes to be filled simultaneously. I have never seen a situation where there was not room for the puck someplace.

Your question reminds me of an error I have seen frequently; not marking the point, and leaving the puck "OFF". It is usually corrected by the stickman, but it slows the game down, since the place bets have to be handled.
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