Blackjack Pays 2 For 1 (≠ 2:1)
1) Does anyone know what other rules are typically set on these GameKing Machines?
2) How much does 2:1 lower the HE?
Quote: gamerfreakTrying to figure out the HE of this game.
1) Does anyone know what other rules are typically set on these GameKing Machines?
2) How much does 2:1 lower the HE?
Read it CAREFULLY again and you'll see why this is a HORRIBLE game.
Quote: keldogI must be reading something incorrectly, looks good to me lol
2 for 1 is not the same as 2 to 1.
Quote: blick2 for 1 means even money for blackjack. Horrible game. Don't play it.
Wouldn't 1 for 1 mean even money?
Quote: Ibeatyouraces2 for 1 is not the same as 2 to 1.
What exactly does it mean
Quote: keldogWhat exactly does it mean
2 for 1 pays 2 but takes the original bet making it even money. 2 to 1 pays 2 but you keep the original bet. 1 for 1 would be a push.
Quote: Ibeatyouraces2 for 1 pays 2 but takes the original bet making it even money. 2 to 1 pays 2 but you keep the original bet.
I bet a lot of people play that game under the assumption they are getting 2:1 , unless maybe thats a common term and I'm just out of the loop
Quote: keldogI bet a lot of people play that game under the assumption they are getting 2:1 , unless maybe thats a common term and I'm just out of the loop
Its common on craps tables. Go look at the middle bets. Video poker machines pay on a "for 1" basis.
I'm not sure about the other rules (I didn't play), but I think the HE is around 2.5%
Quote: keldogWhat exactly does it mean
1 for 1 means you recieve back 1 for the 1 you wagered ie you won nothing
2 for 1 means you receive back 2 for the 1 you wagered so you win even money ie you get back the 1 you wagered and the 1 you won
2 to 1 means you receive back 3 for the 1 you wagered or double your money ie you get back the 1 you wagered and 2 you won
Quote: keldogI bet a lot of people play that game under the assumption they are getting 2:1 , unless maybe thats a common term and I'm just out of the loop
I find it common enough in video and electronic versions
I also find it common people get confused by it
Quote: darkoz1 for 1 means you recieve back 1 for the 1 you wagered ie you won nothing
2 for 1 means you receive back 2 for the 1 you wagered so you win even money ie you get back the 1 you wagered and the 1 you won
2 to 1 means you receive back 3 for the 1 you wagered or double your money ie you get back the 1 you wagered and 2 you won
Does it always stand that x for y is in inclusive of the original bet while x to y is in addition to the original bet?
Edit for clarity
I always think of it like this:Quote: gamerfreakDoes it always stand that x for y is in inclusive of the original bet while x to y is in addition to the original bet?
Edit for clarity
1) 2 for 1 means you get 2, for them TAKING your 1... so at the end of the day you only win 1.
2) 2 to 1 means you get 2 to every 1 you bet.
To me the "for" means they're "taking" your bet no matter what, like a slot machine. Not sure if I'm making things more confusing or not lol.
Quote: RomesI always think of it like this:Quote: gamerfreakDoes it always stand that x for y is in inclusive of the original bet while x to y is in addition to the original bet?
Edit for clarity
1) 2 for 1 means you get 2, for them TAKING your 1... so at the end of the day you only win 1.
2) 2 to 1 means you get 2 to every 1 you bet.
To me the "for" means they're "taking" your bet no matter what, like a slot machine. Not sure if I'm making things more confusing or not lol.
Yea, that makes sense
1) "2 in exchange for each 1 bet"
2) "2 in addition to each 1 bet"
Quote: DRichThe simple rule is that all gaming machines pay "for 1" while table games pay "to 1"
I knew so much as it relates to VP. It's helpful to know the terminology now.
But I have never seen GameKing BJ on the east coast, do you why that is?
Quote: gamerfreakI knew so much as it relates to VP. It's helpful to know the terminology now.
But I have never seen GameKing BJ on the east coast, do you why that is?
I do.
They are in some but not all AC casinos
I saw them at the new Resorts World Catskills
And I have seen them in some Pennsylvania casinos
Delaware Park has them I believe as well
Even money no extra rules (no dd split insurance etc) except for a 6 card charlie
Other places do have some options like split and dd on certain hands. Insurance also
None i have seen offer anything other than even money blackjack
(There are some video table simulation games where they have a female dealer video loop I have seen 3:2 but im talking about VP style bartop games and gamekings
Quote: gamerfreakTrying to figure out the HE of this game.
1) Does anyone know what other rules are typically set on these GameKing Machines?
2) How much does 2:1 lower the HE?
I'm editing the title, because 2:1 means 2 TO 1, and you're talking about 2 FOR 1. Hope you don't mind the clarification.
Personally, I think they word it that way on purpose, hoping it will be misunderstood just the way you did. Sneaky.
Quote: beachbumbabsPersonally, I think they word it that way on purpose, hoping it will be misunderstood just the way you did. Sneaky.
I've never seen a machine that paid on a "to one" basis. At least they are consistent. I find it every annoying how craps has a mixture.
"Blackjack pays 2 for 1"
"All other wins pay 2 for 1 for each hand"
Quote: DRichThe simple rule is that all gaming machines pay "for 1" while table games pay "to 1"
Not necessarily. Pay close attention to table games, predominantly on the Strip that pay FOR 1....
You will see this most often on the craps table.... Center bets.....
"30-1" and "30 for 1" are very different.....
Quote: WizardI've never seen a machine that paid on a "to one" basis. At least they are consistent. I find it every annoying how craps has a mixture.
The Toledo one stated 3 to 2 on it.
Quote: gordonm888Another obvious tipoff is :
"Blackjack pays 2 for 1"
"All other wins pay 2 for 1 for each hand"
Clearly that wording supports Babs belief the intent is to deceive less observant players
Otherwise the verbiage could simply have been all wins including blackjack pay even money
Quote: billryanThat game, while bad for a typical blackjack game, is still better than most slot machines.
If you can find one that gives points like a slot machine, then you may have found something...
Quote: gamerfreakDoes 1-1 or 1:1 (a dash or colon) always mean TO not FOR?
In everything I have seen, the : or - on given odds has always meant "to"
"1:1", "1 to 1", or "1-1" means you will get even money.
2 for 1 also means even money.
Quote: gamerfreakIf you can find one that gives points like a slot machine, then you may have found something...
Is it that unusual? I've seen a lot of 6/8D CSM-style DAS H17 6:5 machines, and a handful of 3:2s, even in LV.
Granted, the $perpoint tends to be lower; one of my local haunts pays out at 1200$CI per dollar in comps. I should check that one in LV for the comp scale, though I've soured on it since they decided to insult me to my face about wearing a freebie casino jacket while grousing about W-2Gs.
Edit: Slots require 300CIp$.
I believe machines use the “TO one” wording because when you make a $1 bet, you instantly lose that $1, as your credits go down by $1. Then when you win, it pays you back $2.
People don’t read the rules.
Also there’s no way the HE is 2.5% on that game. I’d say more like 4-5%.
Quote: VenthusIs it that unusual? I've seen a lot of 6/8D CSM-style DAS H17 6:5 machines, and a handful of 3:2s, even in LV.
Granted, the $perpoint tends to be lower; one of my local haunts pays out at 1200$CI per dollar in comps. I should check that one in LV for the comp scale, though I've soured on it since they decided to insult me to my face about wearing a freebie casino jacket while grousing about W-2Gs.
Edit: Slots require 300CIp$.
No, it’s not unusual for them to give points, but it would be unusual for it to give points at the same rate/$coin in as a slot.
Quote: RSAlso there’s no way the HE is 2.5% on that game. I’d say more like 4-5%.
2 Decks
S17
6 Card Charlie
Assuming all other rules are lousy, no surrender, no double after split and no re-split .... I get 2.45% HE
I expected worse as well ... so maybe I am missing a rule?
In this game, a blackjack pays 5 for 2, which is the same as 3 to 2.
In all my years of playing Game King machines—since the mid-1990s—I have never found a casino that offered these rules. I have always seen blackjacks paying 2 for 1.
Quote: smoothgrhHere are the rules for video blackjack with 99.5% payback percentage.
In this game, a blackjack pays 5 for 2, which is the same as 3 to 2.
In all my years of playing Game King machines—since the mid-1990s—I have never found a casino that offered these rules. I have always seen blackjacks paying 2 for 1.
As I posted earlier in this thread, this is what Toledo had.
Quote: gamerfreak2 Decks
S17
6 Card Charlie
Assuming all other rules are lousy, no surrender, no double after split and no re-split .... I get 2.45% HE
I expected worse as well ... so maybe I am missing a rule?
Oh ok, maybe so. I was referring to the game in the OP — no splitting, no doubling.
Quote: Ibeatyouraces
As I posted earlier in this thread, this is what Toledo had.
Is that the Hollywood Casino Toledo in Ohio?
As Grudge would say: I still ain't made up my mind yet about Toledo!
Quote: smoothgrhIs that the Hollywood Casino Toledo in Ohio?
As Grudge would say: I still ain't made up my mind yet about Toledo!
Yes but it was changed to the standard and lousy 2 for 1 that you find on the other 99.9999999999999% of Game Kings.
Quote: IbeatyouracesYes but it was changed to the standard and lousy 2 for 1 that you find on the other 99.9999999999999% of Game Kings.
Ok, I just found out they put back the 5 for 2 game. Will have a picture shortly.
Quote: IbeatyouracesOk, I just found out they put back the 5 for 2 game. Will have a picture shortly.
I put my Marquee card up to show I was there.
Quote: smoothgrh
Someone pointed out that the Blackjack heading is the same font (Korinna) as the Capcom logo—which I was excited to learn is also the font for Jeopardy! answers. And the Mork & Mindy title card! And the intertitle cards for Frasier!
Also, the reduction for the 6 card charlie based on SD H17 and not multi or infinite deck?
Please base these also on perfect composition dependant plays that are listed in appendix 3c. https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/3c/
Quote: smoothgrhQuote: smoothgrh
Someone pointed out that the Blackjack heading is the same font (Korinna) as the Capcom logo—which I was excited to learn is also the font for Jeopardy! answers. And the Mork & Mindy title card! And the intertitle cards for Frasier!
I was wondering why that looked familiar... Though my source of recognition is exclusively Capcom (I'll get off any lawns upon request...). The similar color scheme certainly helps.
Wow so if I get dealt a 12 vs a dealer 4 and stand ,and the dealers hand goes 4-2-2-2-2-3
He beats me 15 to 12 and I lose ?
How does that rule reduce the house edge? I’d think often times the 7th card would’ve busted the dealers hand.
Theoretical payback pct.
99.50—Dealer hits soft 17, Blackjack pays 5 for 2. Split pairs (Ace one card), Double down on 10 or 11. Insurance and surrender offered.
98.30—Dealer stands on 17, Blackjack pays 2 for 1. Split pairs (Ace one card), Double down on 10 or 11. Insurance and surrender offered.
95.70—Dealer stands on 17, Blackjack pays 2 for 1. Split pairs, double down on 10 or 11. No insurance or surrender.
93.20—Dealer stands on 17, Blackjack pays 2 for 1. No splitting or double down. No insurance or surrender.
Quote: michael99000“Dealer stands on 6 cards totaling 21 or less “
Wow so if I get dealt a 12 vs a dealer 4 and stand ,and the dealers hand goes 4-2-2-2-2-3
He beats me 15 to 12 and I lose ?
How does that rule reduce the house edge? I’d think often times the 7th card would’ve busted the dealers hand.
I believe if the dealer doesn't get 17 on six cards, he loses. Its happened once or twice when I wasn't paying a lot of attention. I know I stayed on 15, dealer had 16 and I got paid.
Some machines also allow you to hit split Aces, while others do not.
