ARE THERE ANY ROULETTE BETS OR BET COMBINATIONS THAT ARE PROFitABLE UNLESS THE BALL LANDS ON ZERO?
Edit: Oh God I spelled profitable wrong. Now I'll look like a noob and an idiot as well. If a mod sees this will you correct my typo? It looks like I can't change the title from here.
The math supports my statement, without a doubt.
You asked two different questions:-
1, ".... a 1 unit profit with each spin ...." That's a profitable bet.
2, "....a "only lose money if it lands on zero" bet ..." That's a non-losing bet.
They are not the same question because of the option to "Neither win nor lose with certainty and get my stake back" which fits version 2 but not version 1
To version 1. No there isn't
To version 2. Yes, there are many
There are bets with zero win - zero loss guaranteed if zeros don't ever hit?: Eg, 1 bet on red and one on black or 1 bet on all 3 columns or one bet on every number at the same time.
Eliminating the zeros just makes it a 0 house edge, neutral game.
Guaranteed in as much as klimate will say 'Wow, Sorry dude' If it ever happens that you lose your entire wealth on that wager.Quote: klimate10If you have the patience to find a wheel that has landed on red ten times in a row, and then lands on single or double zero, then subsequently lands on the OTHER zero right after, and then you bet on all the black numbers, it's a guarantee that you will have a very genuine probability of winning 75% of the next ten spins.
The math supports my statement, without a doubt.
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What I'll do is play 33 numbers, and if the other 3 and the zero don't come up, I'll be guaranteed a profit of 2 units.
If you are looking for high win rates you can look at the following bets
1) Bet on 3 units on 1-18 & 2 units on the 3rd dozen. The win would be 1 unit assuming it doesn't hit on the green or 6 numbers in the middle section. That's 79% chance of winning or 81% on European Roulette.
2) Bet on 2 of the dozens and 2 columns you would loose on 3 of the numbers and green. A win here doesn't necessarily mean profitable. 86% chance of a win or 89% on European Roulette.
3) Probably what you should do if you want to win one unit with out loosing your shirt is to bet streaks of colors. Red/black follow the streaks, have a stop loss and win stop number in mind. Don't play too long and don't play a table that doesn't have strong streaks.
Quote: BillionDollar3) Probably what you should do if you want to win one unit with out loosing your shirt is to bet streaks of colors. Red/black follow the streaks, have a stop loss and win stop number in mind. Don't play too long and don't play a table that doesn't have strong streaks.
Nooooo. Bet one chip on every number except the last one to just land and obviously not on either of the zeros because they are not going to land.
Then you are guaranteed a win of exactly one unit with 97.22% probability *
* I already eliminated those impossible zeros in the calculation.
There is no combination of bets that will win a net 1 unit without the zero hitting.
When I must play roulette, which doesn't happen often, I play the James Bond method (Ian Fleming books, not the movie).
Pick the last 2 of 3 hi-mid-low that won before you started, bet them equally. If either wins, you net 1 unit. Once a segment has lost twice, move your bet from that section to the unbet third, but always play 2 sections. Repeat as necessary.
Only play on 1 0 tables, not 0 and 00.
If you're on a single 0 game, betting every number but 0 will guarantee you break even every round. Although that certainly doesn't sound good, if you're playing rated, you'll get comps and all sorts of stuff most likely.
What the do at a roulette table is pretty simple, I'll use Red and Black as an example.
If you plunk five dollars down on either red or black and lose they take your five dollars; it it happens that you win, they take $0.26 from your winnings and give you the rest.
I still remember my first trip to Vegas. I shoved all my chips onto '7' to cash out and darned if the next number wasn't 7. Unfortunately when they asked 'are you cashing out' I had said yes.
I was an idiot then; guess I've been losing ground ever since.
Quote: klimate10If you have the patience to find a wheel that has landed on red ten times in a row, and then lands on single or double zero, then subsequently lands on the OTHER zero right after, and then you bet on all the black numbers, it's a guarantee that you will have a very genuine probability of winning 75% of the next ten spins.
The math supports my statement, without a doubt.
The last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.
If you meant winning on at least 75% of the next ten spins, then there is a "very genuine probability" of that - it's "very genuinely" about 1/26.
Quote: ThatDonGuy
The last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.
It's absolutely possible.
Let's test your roulette knowledge.
Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?
Quote: klimate10It's absolutely possible.
Let's test your roulette knowledge.
Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?
Quote: RSIt's that weird French thing I reckon. En prison or something wonky on single 0 roulette.
French roulette with La Partage. French roulette can have either En Prison or La Partage.
It's called French roulette, but I've seen it in Vegas. So if negotiating with a host, always insist on La Partage over En Prison.
La Partage has a HE of 1.35%. With La Partage, you get half your bet back immediately.
En Prison has a slightly higher HE at 1.37%-1.38%, depending on number of imprisonment spins, but you either rescue or lose your whole bet (you lose slightly more than half your bet in the long run because the imprisonment spins are not 50/50).
Sorry, but at my level of play I only get to negotiate with security guards inside the casino and spare change lugging passersby outside the casino.
Quote: klimate10It's absolutely possible.
Let's test your roulette knowledge.
Without googling it, what roulette bet has a 1.35% house edge?
The question has already been answered, although I will admit that I was not aware that any casinos in Vegas offered either La Partage or En Prison - I thought that the single-zero wheels were "all bets other than those including the 0 itself lose on 0."
Still, you can't "win" on exactly 7 1/2 spins. Winning half of a bet is not "winning on 1/2 a spin."
Quote: klimate10The math supports my statement, without a doubt.
I will believe this mysterious math when I see it. Do you have any specific sources?
Quote: ThatDonGuy
Still, you can't "win" on exactly 7 1/2 spins. Winning half of a bet is not "winning on 1/2 a spin."
...so you're a glass half empty kind of guy?
Btw, my entire initial paragraph was purposely nonsensical.
Quote: klimate10Btw, my entire initial paragraph was purposely nonsensical.
I'm too used to posters who make statements like that and insist that they're legitimate to make assumptions like that.
Besides - how do you explain that to someone who might be reading WoV for the first time, sees this "75% strategy," and takes it at face value?
What do you know? Even the most mathematically challenged amongst us agrees with that statement.Quote: ThatDonGuyThe last time I looked, it is impossible to win exactly 75% of ten spins.
Quote: ThatDonGuyI'm too used to posters who make statements like that and insist that they're legitimate to make assumptions like that.
Besides - how do you explain that to someone who might be reading WoV for the first time, sees this "75% strategy," and takes it at face value?
So if you want to be pedantic about it, then it's arguable that to win seven and tie one, out of ten, is 75%.
However...
Would you have a good day if I told you that you're right? If so, then you're right.
There is peace on earth.
Next topic plz.
Let's say there was a zero-zero roulette game. In other words no zeroes, just the numbers 1 to 36. A betting system still couldn't beat that. It couldn't lose to it either.
The expected value of any system in such a game would be exactly zero.
