HeyMrDJ
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March 22nd, 2017 at 7:54:37 AM permalink
its an online roulette wheel, someone else has said the odds of hitting the 100x is 1 in 456, I say its 1 in 509 (1 in 42.4 x 1 in 12)
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Bellaing
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March 22nd, 2017 at 7:57:28 AM permalink
If there is a spot with 20x multiplier the roulette will be +ev no matter what I think? Since the usual winning for a number is 36 with the multiplier that will be 720 with chances of 1:37.. pretty sweet deal.
HeyMrDJ
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March 22nd, 2017 at 7:59:42 AM permalink
Quote: Bellaing

If there is a spot with 20x multiplier the roulette will be +ev no matter what I think? Since the usual winning for a number is 36 with the multiplier that will be 720 with chances of 1:37.. pretty sweet deal.

no, you dont get 20x what you land on. you get 20x for the key bet only. Its like an extra zero that pays 20x - 100x. Anything less than 35x would be worse than a normal wheel, 20x would be the worst one.

watch this video
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rsactuary
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:04:34 AM permalink
deleted.... watched video.
HeyMrDJ
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:05:32 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

I assume on the key bet you aren't allowed to do splits or corners?

The key bet is just a straight up bet, like an extra zero
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Romes
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:16:33 AM permalink
Quote: HeyMrDJ

its an online roulette wheel, someone else has said the odds of hitting the 100x is 1 in 456, I say its 1 in 509 (1 in 42.4 x 1 in 12)

P(KB & 100x) = P(KeyBet) * P(100x) = (1/38) * (1/12) = 1/456

*The 1/12 is straight from the video, assuming all of the multipliers are "random."
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
HeyMrDJ
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:18:45 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

P(KB & 100x) = P(KeyBet) * P(100x) = (1/38) * (1/12) = 1/456

*The 1/12 is straight from the video, assuming all of the multipliers are "random."

But the probability isnt 1/38. If it was, the RTP would not be 95.34%
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Romes
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:22:27 AM permalink
Quote: HeyMrDJ

But the probability isnt 1/38. If it was, the RTP would not be 95.34%

How is the probability NOT 1/38? Do they have some special control to NOT let the Key Bet hit at random chance?

You said in your earlier post that anyone not playing the Key Bet would be like playing 00 roulette where they are 1/38... this makes the assumption that the Key Bet spot is just another random spot on the wheel... which it appears to be from the video at least.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
HeyMrDJ
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:23:13 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

How is the probability NOT 1/38? Do they have some special control to NOT let the Key Bet hit at random chance?

yes, this is a digital wheel, played online. So its all RNG based.
If it was 1/38 wouldnt the RTP be something like 1/38 * 40.41666r = 106.35% (which it clearly isn't)
The slots on the wheel are not a true representation of the odds, they have that as a disclaimer.
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Romes
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March 22nd, 2017 at 8:32:47 AM permalink
I also just noticed something odd... There was a 14 min video I watched of a euro guy playing, and he was betting "more" than the video linked a few posts ago. He would bet \$7 on the Key Bet, and the Pot was then \$700 (100x). However, in the video linked just now, the guy bet \$1, and the pot was \$50. I would expect the pot to be \$100 if he bet \$1... 100x, right? Perhaps they fluff the payouts unless you bet a certain amount?

"Assuming" that the multipliers are all on whatever you bet, and the "Pot" is 100x your bet, I agree the average multiplier would be:

(20+20+25+30+30+35+40+40+45+50+50+100)/12 = 40.42

Also:
Quote: HeyMrDJ

yes, this is a digital wheel, played online. So its all RNG based.

What you're saying is it's not RNG based... RNG would indicate "random."
Playing it correctly means you've already won.