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focd
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September 15th, 2010 at 4:33:22 PM permalink
I was playing craps and I placed 10 dollars on the pass line. It was 3x4x5x craps and the point was 4. So I am only allowed to bet 30 dollars behind the pass line. However, being a new player, I got the 3x4x5x system confused and placed 50 dollars there instead of 30. Fortunately, I won the bet and the pit boss told me that I can only be paid for the 30 dollars and not the excess 20 dollars after he found out I had over bet when the dealer was paying me. So my question is, what if I had lost the bet and had realized that I over bet before they took my wager? Can I ask them to give me back the 20 dollars? Thanks.
Ayecarumba
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September 15th, 2010 at 4:41:33 PM permalink
You could ask. Whether they would refund you the overage is a different story. I suspect they would have swept it up, "Line Away!" and you would never have been the wiser.

It is the dealer and boxman's jobs to double check the odds bets. They should have caught it early, but on a busy table, it is easy to overlook. When the pit boss has to get involved, it is never a good day for anyone on the crew, so I suspect some retraining was in store for that shift later.
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RaleighCraps
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September 15th, 2010 at 4:48:05 PM permalink
I just saw this happen this past weekend. I think it was at xxxx (decided to delete the name as I am not positive which casino it happened at). A person over bet the odds and the point hit. When they discovered the over bet, they paid the excess at 1:1, same as the pass line. So you know they will take the over bet there, as they are declaring any over bet is a pass line bet.
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ChampagneFireball
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September 15th, 2010 at 4:54:33 PM permalink
What I've seen most frequently is to pay the overage as if it were a place bet, so 9:5 for a win on a 4. And if it was a loser, they would take it same as a place bet.

But I did once have them refund the extra on a loss, on a cruise ship no less.
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September 15th, 2010 at 5:04:29 PM permalink
Well, something similiar has hapenned to me but I am not sure if it's a fare situation. Once I was playing baccarat at the table limit, U$200, and was payed for a player bet. So I left the ammount received there, which added to U$400, and won again. The croupier wanted to pay me only U$200 and since I did not agree she asked the pit boss which told her to pay me fully once it was her job to check my bet before giving the cards. This hapenned at Argentina, South America.
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focd
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September 15th, 2010 at 7:32:23 PM permalink
I'm just curious as to where this was? The US? Seriously, now I'm starting to feel ripped off. I wonder if there is an "official" law or rule as to how this is handled. I mean not just in terms of overbetting in craps like this situation but any other over betting situation. It's odd how they don't have some official set of rules made conspicuous for all players that are posted on casino websites.
aluisio
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September 16th, 2010 at 3:58:31 AM permalink
My incident was held in January 2009 at Casino Iguazu, Misiones, Argentina. Just near the Falls!
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FleaStiff
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September 16th, 2010 at 7:05:01 AM permalink
Quote: focd

It's odd how they don't have some official set of rules made conspicuous for all players that are posted on casino websites.

An official rule prominently posted would be akin to that hotel that placed notices in all the rooms: Do not fish from your window. After those notices went up, all those drunken guests fished from their windows. If you put a notice up at a craps table about betting more odds than you are entitled to, there will then be a zillion such incidents.

You know darn well the crew checks for bets that are below the table minimum and will open their yaps instantly, so it really should be the crews responsibility to check for over-betting, just as it is the dealers responsibility to alert the player to an overage situation where the bet is still legal but going to cost the winning player on payout.

I understand that often the excess is simply paid at 1:1, but I've no idea what the gaming board requires, if anything.

I do think its a rare event and that its the player's responsibility to learn the game but as long as the casino invites neophyte passersby with booze in them to play, then the casino should expect some mistakes.
Ibeatyouraces
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September 16th, 2010 at 8:33:38 AM permalink
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focd
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September 16th, 2010 at 5:07:07 PM permalink
I asked a pit boss today at a different casino and he said they count that as a bet. If you lose, you will lose everything including the excess amount. If you win, they will pay you but at a different rate or something. I am a new player so I don't remember everything he told me. But yes, with the incident yesterday, I really forgot if the dealer paid me 1:1 or if she simply returned the excess without counting it as a bet. I was really tired, but if I remember correctly, they simply just returned the 20 excess dollars without paying me.

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