Can the casino cheat in Baccarat?

I play in the casino ship and hence not regulated.
My thinking is can the casino play with a “short deck” similar to BJ.
Can they take out some high or low cards and change the odds of the game. It is non-commission baccarat so they put in the extra “6” card.
Where I play most player bet on Banker as it appears more often and seems to be looking for streaks all the time. So it would make sense for the casino to change the odds in favour of Player and win more.
I play on the ETG and I can see the dealer cutting the deck of cards so all cards coming out from the shuffler cannot be changed.
Other than this I can think of no other way they can cheat. Ideally for them is if they can see the loading or betting on Banker and Player and adjust the odds by computer to give them maximum yield. They are using their own self-made ETG machine which they only use on their casino ships.
But you would have heard of them. They are the Genting Group which is a global casino company.

Pls clarify: casino ship versus a cruise ship with a small casino on it.

On a cruise ship I would expect most players to be amateurs and would bet on the Player hand but Bankers hand does usually come out a smidgen ahead hence the customary five percent which for speed is often eliminated by a slight change in the rules.

If they get the cards pre-shuffled in a large cannister its likely its legit, even if its their own cannister.

There is no way they can change the cards 'on the fly' when betting by the players suddenly varies; the casino would be too worried about collaboration to allow such a set up. Dealers would have their friends show up and all bet Banker then Banker again but suddenly pull the bets back to Player to take advantage of some button having been pressed. Casinos don't care much about players but they do worry about Dealers and collaboration.

ETG ????

ETG....... Electronic Table Game

Casino ship, cruise to nowhere, overnight cruise.

You are out of date. No more 5%commission. All no commission Banker win on 6 pays 1/2. Speed of play is much faster.

i REALLY REALLY REALLY don't understand why someone would accuse the casino of "cheating" when they are free to bet either Banker or Player.

if you think they arranged the cards to have more Player, then BET Player in stead of whining about it, for crying out loud.

Quote: andysif

i REALLY REALLY REALLY don't understand why someone would accuse the casino of "cheating" when they are free to bet either Banker or Player.

if you think they arranged the cards to have more Player, then BET Player in stead of whining about it, for crying out loud.

+1000

Some of these theories just amaze me

Just think - the golden nugget arranged the cards in baccarat and the players figured out a way to beat that for millions lol

The house edge is only guaranteed in a random game. You can be sure the games are fair, if for no other reason than its in the casinos best interest.

It is all non commission baccarat nowadays. Banker win on 6 pays 1/2.
Simple answer is if there are more "6" cards in the deck the HA goes up and the casino wins more.

Quote: Deck007

It is all non commission baccarat nowadays.

No it isn't.

From what I've seen, it is only complete non-commission bac in very small casinos and in the un-washed masses area of big casinos. This is mainly due to game pace, a higher house edge, and ease of training staff. Most large market casinos still have standard baccarat at least in the high limit area because the players demand it. You probably should get out more.

Despite the conspiracy threads that pop up on here regularly, I have never heard of any court case where a major casino was proven to have messed with the deck, at least in this century.

The golden nugget in ac

You are talking about the US.
In Asia Baccarat is 90% of the all table games and it is all non commission Bac. now.
I have visited about 6 major casinos in Macau and they all are the same.
Last visit to Macau in May only Wynn has a couple of commission bac. table.
You miss out the point that I am talking about, the non regulated casino ships not land casinos.

I think your watching to much television shows where a casino cheat players. In reality casino won't do what your seeing on television shows. Aside from they will surely destroy their good reputation, it will also cause them to settle damage to the public once cheating is proven.

I was thinking of letting this pass by.
But your posting is so you of sync.
I play baccarat on the casino ship at least twice a month.
I don't know what TV shows you are talking about.
Just like playing with a short deck in BJ if cheating is going on it cannot be caught.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

The golden nugget in ac

You mean the incident where their supplier failed to shuffle their pre-shuffled cards? How is that the casino cheating?

Quote: Deck007

You are talking about the US.
In Asia Baccarat is 90% of the all table games and it is all non commission Bac. now.
I have visited about 6 major casinos in Macau and they all are the same.
Last visit to Macau in May only Wynn has a couple of commission bac. table.
You miss out the point that I am talking about, the non regulated casino ships not land casinos.

If you are playing ships in Asia, stick to Star Cruise. I don't know if or how they are regulated, but I don't think Genting would risk an investigation in Singapore and possible licensing issues in their new Vegas place to cheat on the ships.

Quote: Deck007

You are talking about the US.
In Asia Baccarat is 90% of the all table games and it is all non commission Bac. now.
I have visited about 6 major casinos in Macau and they all are the same.
Last visit to Macau in May only Wynn has a couple of commission bac. table.
You miss out the point that I am talking about, the non regulated casino ships not land casinos.

I don't know which 6 casinos in macao you are talking about but from my experience non-comm and traditional baccarat is about 50/50.

the simple fact is gamblers in macao don't like non-comm, and they avoid it if they can.

game.

Quote: Deck007

Can they take out some high or low cards and change the odds of the It is non-commission baccarat so they put in the extra “6” card.
Where I play most player bet on Banker as it appears more often and seems to be looking for streaks all the time. So it would make sense for the casino to change the odds in favour of Player and win more.

Can the casino cheat in Baccarat? Yes all things are possible given the right circumstance. Not as you describe though. Extra or lack of 6's and 4's I doubt would make much difference, I've seen a load of 6's leave very early in the shoe and was expecting the end of the shoe to be top heavy for one side, it was kind of balanced. If you remove a significant amount of 10's and replaced those cards with Aces, 2's, possibly 3's, then you will change the characteristic of the shoe. A third picture card dealt to the Player can often seal the deal for the Banker bet, except when the 3rd card happens to be an Ace or a 2!!!!

Banker certainly won't dominate, neither will streaks, Player may dominate dependant on how much the deck has been manipulated. I know this, because what I am describing took place in a casino some time back. Eight tables all with electronic score boards, so you could see what was happening from afar, you could bet 100k for a four streak and you wouldn't of won the bet! This continued table after table, hour after hour. I can't go into detail why this happened [although I do know the reason].

If you run a sim and remove a fairly significant number of high value cards, the odds increase for the Player side to win, the Baccarat app demonstrates this. Going 1-step further and replacing high values cards with small cards, you end up with a choppy shoe, unless they go over-board, then what happened a few days later can happen and did¿

Suffice the say, if you think anything is amiss, bet for the cut, you will clean up.