Minors caught gambling -- Should they be refunded their losses?
Quote: darkozYou can also smoke yourself into an early cancer from age 18 but not get drunk till you're 21. Hmm.
For the record, the legal smoking age is now 21 in Hawaii.
Quote: WizardI don't think I have anything further to say on this topic. My original position remains the same.
They should treat it the same as if you are self excluded/ the person gets a citation, the casino gets fined and the money goes towards gambling addiction programs
Quote: WizardAgain, give a minor a 100% loss rebate and they will abuse the hell out of it. The justification for voiding only winning bets is to keep them from playing in the first place. If a minor doesn't like it -- don't play.
I personally don't disagree with lowering the gambling age to 18. That is the age at some of the Indian casinos in California.
Again, the solution is very simple:
the casino can have discretion as to WHEN to use the refund policy.
But the important point is, the casino can only decide if they want to use the policy or not, but not on which bets the policy will be used on.
That way , when there minor is down and wants to take advantage of the policy - no luck, and no abuse
When the minor wins and the casino decides that they would void all bets, then ALL, not just the winning bets should be voided.
Getting free rolled is the price an underage person should pay.
Of course the casino should be fined 20x the jackpot or cash out amount. If they are caught paying a minor it should be 100x the amount.
Google topics relating to this subject there lots of interesting stories where it seems as if they turned a blind eye and people as young as 16 have been caught.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/jane-ann-morrison/underage-gamblers-could-lose-their-shirts-and-face-misdemeanor-charges
http://vegasinc.com/business/gaming/2012/jul/18/caesars-entertainment-agrees-pay-100000-fine-over-/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2147903/Bobbi-Kristina-Brown-caught-gambling-underage-Las-Vegas-day-emotional-Billboard-Awards-appearance.html
http://www.kcci.com/news/man-denied-100000-lottery-win-because-hes-underage/37096840
As far as what happens to the jackpot....I don't really care. Like said above, maybe donate it to some gambling addiction help thing. Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.
Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.Quote: RSIMO -- if you're underage and caught gambling, you should be able to cash out your chips/ticket, get arrested/86'd/whatever. Any jackpot should be forfeited. Casino should get fined if it's reasonable that they should have stopped the person from gambling (i.e.: no way they can stop some kid walking by a slot machine, popping in a bill, hitting spin.....if someone is gambling for a long time or at any table game, then the casino should be fined).
As far as what happens to the jackpot....I don't really care. Like said above, maybe donate it to some gambling addiction help thing. Or add that amount to an already-existing progressive.
^^is my vote, but only because that may benefit me. However...the casino may actually benefit by making a machine look more attractive.
The fine and JP should also be added to a 9/6 .25 progressive where only advantage players are allowed to play it untouched and full RFB ☺
there's nothing worse for a casino than having to give free money to AP's.
Chips/ tito's should be held until the age of 21.
Or possibly just wait. According to the Iowa Lottery website, the Mega Crossword game is still going on and is not listed in the "Games Ending Soon" section. I wonder when his 21st birthday is.Quote: WizardofnothingThat last one is pure stupidity, all he had to do was have a friend or parent cash it, sometimes I'm just amazed
On a related note, when the FL lottery came out, my parents would occasionally buy a scratcher as a gift for my sister and me. On one occasion, when I was 14 or 15, I received one that turned out to be a $5 winner. So, I stopped at the local convenience store on the way home from school to cash it.
At first, the clerk refused, saying I was too young, but I argued that you had to be 18 to buy a ticket, but there was no age restriction to cash a ticket. He couldn't argue with that logic, so he gave me the $5!
Ding, ding, ding!Quote: DRichI think the casino should forfeit the jackpot and have to pay it to a program like Gamblers Anonymous. That way neither the child nor the casino benefit from the circumstance.
We have a winner.
You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?Quote: DJTeddyBearDing, ding, ding!
We have a winner.
Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.
Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.
But I remember in 1964 going to Death Valley with the Boy Scouts. We took a side trip to Vegas. Many of us would sneak a nickel into a slot machine near the sidewalk downtown. Good natured fun. Nowadays the organization would probably be sued by one of the parents for immoral wayward guidance.
Quote: DRichI think the casino should forfeit the jackpot and have to pay it to a program like Gamblers Anonymous. That way neither the child nor the casino benefit from the circumstance.
I have no problem with this. Not necessarily Gamblers Anonymous, in the interests of keeping a separation between church and state. The general fund of the state would be what I would suggest.
Quote: TheGrimReaper13You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?
Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.
Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.
I don't get you. You make an interesting, pertinent observation and analogy, adding to the conversation, then you take a snide and childish cheap shot at your audience and host in the next paragraph. Not the first time, either.
Without the parenthetical, you could have slid this by, but that's a clear insult. 7 days 2nd offense.
Quote: WizardCalifornia casinos with an 18 gambling age still enforce a 21 drinking age.
Soaring Eagle in MI is 18 and it's in
a college town. In the winter there
are so many hot young girls that
if you're a guy of any age, you're
dead if you don't notice them.
There is something about that age
group, 18-21, in women, that's
different than any other age group.
That something, in the age 18-21 hot girls, is a larger risk of ruin than the next older bracket, but a smaller risk of ruin than the next younger bracket. At least in my experience, however limited, or not.Quote: EvenBobSoaring Eagle in MI is 18 and it's in
a college town. In the winter there
are so many hot young girls that
if you're a guy of any age, you're
dead if you don't notice them.
There is something about that age
group, 18-21, in women, that's
different than any other age group.
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Not only should any winnings from an underage player be turned over to the state, but any losses too. If a teenager buys in at the table for $10, and a few hours later still has $10 having won 100 bets and lost 100, then the casino needs to pay back all $1,000 he lost. If he somehow plays all weekend and wins 1000 and loses 1000, the casino has to pay back $10,000. If that seems harsh, they need to start asking for ID. It's extremely easy at tables; at machines, it should be easy for any slot tech to see if someone doesn't have a players card.
It should be treated just like any other age restricted product, where both the seller and buyer take on responsibility if laws are being broken. As it is now, the casino takes on far too little liability.
Failing that, due to some kind of silly newfangled rule against such things, cough up the ill-gotten gain to Gaming Enforcement.
Quote: TheGrimReaper13You guys. That's only the government trying to artificially smooth gambling over with society. Ever hear of such a program working much, if at all?
Gambling in all forms to any degree is a lifelong addiction of both mind and body. Like any disease, it spreads like wildfire in a new population for a few generations, until the population builds up natural immunity (watching what the older folk went through, instead of trying to figure it out), and only the very young and old remain in danger. Sort of where things are headed here and there. Sort of like the flu. Another sort of fever, if you will. No big deal, if you don't even try to figure it out.
Or, before you know it, you'll be (another closet genius(?) in your own mind) presiding over very silly word/moral/math/legal puzzles day-after-day with like-minded people.
Kerkebet?
I like the way you think. :)Quote: DrawingDeadIn my opinion the fair thing is to let the wagering results stand, paying the win to the parent or legal guardian, while keeping the deceitful miscreant whippersnapper in a state of indentured servitude as property of the casino for a period of years. Their little juvenile hands and flexible bodies would be perfect for small tasks such as shoving them into air-conditioning ducts with a scrub brush and a chain around the neck to pull them through, and suchlike. It would be good for them to become useful like that.
Failing that, due to some kind of silly newfangled rule against such things, cough up the ill-gotten gain to Gaming Enforcement.
