AJS909
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July 7th, 2015 at 4:10:45 PM permalink
Related story from about 15 years ago (so hopefully the statute of limitations has expired...) and an obvious example why my family isn't as morally upright as y'all...

My parents, my younger sister and I were in Vegas celebrating her 21st and we were all at Binions playing around. My dad hit a $2,500 jackpot on a Triple Diamond five dollar slot and it being the late 90's, Binions still had coins. The machine had enough coins to payout the majority of the jackpot, which he quickly racked up. It took them a goodly while to come around and do the tax stuff and all, and when they came back to pay him, they paid him the whole $2,500. He told my sister to take the racks, cash them out and get out of dodge, and he bee-lined it for the exit with the $2,000 they had just hand-payed him (he tipped the slot attendant $300 and the cocktail waitress $200). We still laugh about heisting Binions back in the day...
BlueEagle
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July 8th, 2015 at 1:24:47 AM permalink
The casino will request to be paid back for the overpayment and will bar you from the casino if you refuse.

A similar question was asked and answered in the thread "I Spy With My Mechanical Eye"
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/22375-i-spy-with-my-mechanical-eye/6/#post467268
AxelWolf
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July 8th, 2015 at 4:46:05 AM permalink
Quote: AJS909

Related story from about 15 years ago (so hopefully the statute of limitations has expired...) and an obvious example why my family isn't as morally upright as y'all...

My parents, my younger sister and I were in Vegas celebrating her 21st and we were all at Binions playing around. My dad hit a $2,500 jackpot on a Triple Diamond five dollar slot and it being the late 90's, Binions still had coins. The machine had enough coins to payout the majority of the jackpot, which he quickly racked up. It took them a goodly while to come around and do the tax stuff and all, and when they came back to pay him, they paid him the whole $2,500. He told my sister to take the racks, cash them out and get out of dodge, and he bee-lined it for the exit with the $2,000 they had just hand-payed him (he tipped the slot attendant $300 and the cocktail waitress $200). We still laugh about heisting Binions back in the day...

It paid out the coins and locked up? Usually once you hit a taxable it locks up and no coins come out.

So it had to have been malfunctioning. I haven't heard of such a thing. I have heard of the opposite IE hand pay but credits remain and player cashes out.


Cashing in the coins wasn't necessary(Its normal for someone to have lots of coins). You may have gotten away with $2500, but it was probably worth 10's of thousands.
You were basically getting double hand-pay jackpots on a $5 denomination. Someone would need to know what % the hand-pays contributed. And at some point you would have a hopper fill and a hand-pay simultaneously.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ukaserex
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October 21st, 2015 at 10:52:16 AM permalink
The truth of it is this:

If you honestly didn't realize it, suppose you didn't remember when it occurred? You should just assume the casino is being legit?

I'm sure they wouldn't share the video with me - but I wonder what they could really do once the next hand has begun. Or, if you walked away and lost the money in a slot or vp machine.

What could they do? Throw you out for their error? Doubtful. They would likely absorb the loss.


But - ultimately, there are folks on these forums that gamble a whole lot more than me and may have seen a similar situation play out.
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777
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October 21st, 2015 at 11:15:29 AM permalink
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If you are playing a table game and using your player card at a casino you are staying at and are overpaid without you or the dealer realizing it at the time, then leave the table and cash out. Can the casino contact you later, say by leaving a message on your phone in your room and request that you repay the overpayment? If you were using your player card and staying at the hotel I would think it would be easy to find you, but is there a rule that once you leave the table the casino can no longer demand repayment? Don't get me wrong I would gladly pay back any overpayment as I don't want the casino cheating me anymore than I would want to cheat the casino, but just wondering if there are limits to when the casino can contact you and ask for the overpayment to be repaid? I could see this being an issue if you left the table and lost the money at a different game how could they still demand repayment? You may no longer have the funds to pay back what was originally overpaid in the first place.

Thanks for any info.
KWW



This is no different than a bank mistakenly deposit extra money to your account. So legally you have to return the overpayment. If the amount is small and the casino found out about it later, I don’t think it is worth the effort (consider the casino labor cost and the hassle of having to show proof such as surveillance video, adverse customer relation…) for the casino to track you down to demand the repayment. Now, if the amount is large, for example $5,000, I’m very confident the casino will demand the repayment and may even initiate a law suit if necessary.
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October 21st, 2015 at 11:21:39 AM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

I have pointed out errors in my favor before, but not every time. When I don't it's because I wonder how many times I have been underpaid and didn't notice. I only play a couple of times a year and usually indulge a little.



Imo, overpayment AND underpayment mistakes happened more often than you would think, and I always wonder if the casino make best effort to track their customers down in the underpayment situations.
RS
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October 21st, 2015 at 11:22:12 AM permalink
In Nevada, once you're paid, it's yours. If they want it back they can ask. If you decline, they can trespass you. But can't file a law suit against you.
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October 21st, 2015 at 11:43:20 AM permalink
Quote: RS

In Nevada, once you're paid, it's yours. If they want it back they can ask. If you decline, they can trespass you. But can't file a law suit against you.



I doubt what you state is true (al least from my common sense perspective).
waasnoday
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October 21st, 2015 at 11:53:34 AM permalink
Quote: 777

I doubt what you state is true (al least from my common sense perspective).



Did a little Google search and found this:

NRS 465.070  Fraudulent acts
3.  To claim, collect or take, or attempt to claim, collect or take, money or anything of value in or from a gambling game, with intent to defraud, without having made a wager contingent thereon, or to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.

And here is the link:
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-465.html

Other states may have similar language but in most cases there would be no criminal charges pressed and what would happen would be as RS stated. Well at least that is how we handle it where I work.
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October 21st, 2015 at 12:28:56 PM permalink
Quote: waasnoday

Did a little Google search and found this:

NRS 465.070  Fraudulent acts
3.  To claim, collect or take, or attempt to claim, collect or take, money or anything of value in or from a gambling game, with intent to defraud, without having made a wager contingent thereon, or to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.

And here is the link:
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-465.html

Other states may have similar language but in most cases there would be no criminal charges pressed and what would happen would be as RS stated. Well at least that is how we handle it where I work.



According to the status, “it is It is unlawful for any person: … to claim, collect or take an amount greater than the amount won.” In a lawsuit situation, it is very difficult for the casino to prove of its customer criminal intent, but it can very easily prove of the overpayment via video surveillance; and therefore entitle for the repayment of the overpaid amount.

My guess is the reason your casino does not want to elevate the issue through legal channel is due to the economic reason. Is it worth to collect $10, $50, $100… when lawyer fee, employee time and other overhead cost are taken into consideration? Furthermore, there could be a public relation problem, and the casino could lose this customer for life over a small amount of dispute.

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