AxiomOfChoice
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:00:55 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Keep in mind that CET in Vegas values most "full pay" VP at $25 coin-in per tier credit instead of $10 per TC, and there are very few options for "full pay" VP that isn't $5 single line. The best paying games in CET Vegas that are still $10/TC that I am aware of is 7/5 Bonus w/Ultimate X for dollars (3 play minimum about 99.3% return) and 9/5 JoB with Double STP for dollars (98.95% w/DSTP).



Seriously? That makes it even worse! At mlife properties I still get "full" points (1/$10) for 9/6 JoB and 9/7 TDB. Other than a few video BJ machines that give no points at all, nothing is worse than 1pt / $10 at mlife.

So if I play $5 9/7 TDB, I am geting 0.13% freeplay at m-life, and 0.032% at CET?

As for the $5 denom, that's fine. There are some MGM properties that also don't have anything over 99.5% at below $5 denom (Mandalay Bay comes to mind).
djatc
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:04:48 PM permalink
Mlife comps less but better games
Cet comps more but crappy games

You decide if higher return is worth less comps or vice versa.

Unless you play at harrahs reno like I do with 9/6 jacks full points.
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AxiomOfChoice
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:30:28 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Mlife comps less but better games
Cet comps more but crappy games



Comps more what?

If M-life is giving me 0.13% freeplay and CET is giving me 0.03% for the same full-pay games...

At M-life I already get everything I could ever want in terms of other comps (food/drink/suite/limo). What is CET going to do? Put me in a bigger suite? Send hookers to my room? (actually, that might get me to switch)
Eaglesnest
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:36:50 PM permalink
The hookers only come at "Plutonium" level.

The difference between CET and MLife in general is that CET doesn't give you much up front, preferring instead to incentivize you to return with mailed freeplay and room offers. MLife is more about earning comps right now. A comparison of the two operators will show that when you take everything into consideration, you do quite a bit better with CET. MLife will do better for the one-shot visitor who isn't likely to return soon, as he will earn more immediately usable comps than he would at CET. But over, CET beats out MLife by quite a bit. If you're coming back within, say, six months, you will do better with CET.

The games offered in Vegas by both companies are rancid shit, but CET is somewhat worse. The bizarre thing is that in other jurisdictions, CET often offers the best VP in town. This has led many people to accumulate reward credits elsewhere and then use them in Vegas. It's a delicate juggling act.
AxiomOfChoice
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:45:01 PM permalink
Quote: Eaglesnest

The hookers only come at "Plutonium" level.

The difference between CET and MLife in general is that CET doesn't give you much up front, preferring instead to incentivize you to return with mailed freeplay and room offers. MLife is more about earning comps right now. A comparison of the two operators will show that when you take everything into consideration, you do quite a bit better with CET. MLife will do better for the one-shot visitor who isn't likely to return soon, as he will earn more immediately usable comps than he would at CET. But over, CET beats out MLife by quite a bit. If you're coming back within, say, six months, you will do better with CET.

The games offered in Vegas by both companies are rancid shit, but CET is somewhat worse. The bizarre thing is that in other jurisdictions, CET often offers the best VP in town. This has led many people to accumulate reward credits elsewhere and then use them in Vegas. It's a delicate juggling act.



Ok, so, if I play through $200k at full-pay VP in a weekend at Caesars, I'd only accumulate 8000 points (1 pt / $25) which is worth $46 in freeplay (since I'd only be redeeming them at 175pt/$, since I would not be 7-star yet). At MGM I would get 20,000 base points * 1.3 = 26,000 slot points after platinum multiplier, = $260 in freeplay. So, I'm down about $210 in freeplay at that point.

How much could I expect to get as a mailer? Remember that at m-life I can go back, being invited to a slot tournament that's worth well over $1000 per player, and get everything comped (I am essentially always invited to these tournaments; so many that I don't go to all of them because I don't want to be in vegas every single weekend). Is CET really going to beat that by sending me an offer of $1500 or $2000 freeplay for my next visit? If so, I will definitely try it... if not, I don't see how it could be better.

Thanks, I really appreciate this info...
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July 30th, 2014 at 6:49:05 PM permalink
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Eaglesnest
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July 30th, 2014 at 7:47:28 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Ok, so, if I play through $200k at full-pay VP in a weekend at Caesars, I'd only accumulate 8000 points (1 pt / $25) which is worth $46 in freeplay (since I'd only be redeeming them at 175pt/$, since I would not be 7-star yet). At MGM I would get 20,000 base points * 1.3 = 26,000 slot points after platinum multiplier, = $260 in freeplay. So, I'm down about $210 in freeplay at that point.

How much could I expect to get as a mailer? Remember that at m-life I can go back, being invited to a slot tournament that's worth well over $1000 per player, and get everything comped (I am essentially always invited to these tournaments; so many that I don't go to all of them because I don't want to be in vegas every single weekend). Is CET really going to beat that by sending me an offer of $1500 or $2000 freeplay for my next visit? If so, I will definitely try it... if not, I don't see how it could be better.

Thanks, I really appreciate this info...



Your question is difficult to answer because what you get from CET, or from MLife for that matter, is dependent on your play history over a longer period than just a weekend. CET properties do slot tournaments too, of course. The mailers tend to be a steady stream rather than a single big chunk. As I said, you do better with CET if you're a frequent flyer. If you have a history with MLife but not so much with CET, you'll get less from CET--and vice versa.

Since comps, free play, etc. are doled out as a measure of theo at both places, and that percentage of theo is fairly constant throughout the industry (it used to be 40% but now ranges closer to 30%), you will eventually realize roughly the same return, though distributed differently, from both places. You're getting more up front at MLife than you would at CET because that's how they choose to arrange it. CET is all about getting you to come back soon. You'll actually see equivalent total freeplay and tournament offers from CET once your action equalizes, but it'll be more spread out. The difference is that the offers persist longer at CET, and they ultimately add up to somewhat more as a result. Of course, if you're not a frequent enough visitor, you won't be able to redeem enough of those spread-out offers to catch up to what you would have gotten in bigger chunks from MLife. This is why you get more from CET overall--generally, most people only redeem half or less of their CET offers.

I am assuming that in each case, you're playing 9/6 JOB and not something worse.
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August 1st, 2014 at 4:51:11 PM permalink
I am pretty loyal to CET. M-life hasn't given me squat. This year alone, making Seven Stars, I got two free cruises, two free trips to any CET property with airfare, two $500 "celebration dinners", one $100 "celebration dinner," a Kindle PaperWhite, a Keurig coffeemaker, a SodaStream, free nights at any CET hotel anytime (they cut me off in Cleveland because I used to many, but I still get them in Cinci), and a ton of slot and VIP tournament invitations. I like getting stuff.
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August 1st, 2014 at 6:51:45 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Comps more what?

If M-life is giving me 0.13% freeplay and CET is giving me 0.03% for the same full-pay games...

At M-life I already get everything I could ever want in terms of other comps (food/drink/suite/limo). What is CET going to do? Put me in a bigger suite? Send hookers to my room? (actually, that might get me to switch)



If your already getting RFB it's now a matter of whether or not you want to get RFB at MGM or CET. If you can afford to play $1 and above I recommend MGM. They comp 0.13% and give you that in cashback as well, therefore 99.54% jacks now becomes 99.8% if you consider comps same as cash. Also I know they have HGS so that adds a bit if you cash that out for freeplay at the end of the year.

But..... if you travel a lot outside of Las Vegas CET has casinos everywhere. You can also play better games at full points if you want to play outside Vegas.
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August 1st, 2014 at 7:01:40 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

I am pretty loyal to CET. M-life hasn't given me squat. This year alone, making Seven Stars, I got two free cruises, two free trips to any CET property with airfare, two $500 "celebration dinners", one $100 "celebration dinner," a Kindle PaperWhite, a Keurig coffeemaker, a SodaStream, free nights at any CET hotel anytime (they cut me off in Cleveland because I used to many, but I still get them in Cinci), and a ton of slot and VIP tournament invitations. I like getting stuff.

Do you mind me asking: What is the average and hours to get you this please???

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