Online casinos bonuses; Conditions required for +EV play???
I have a question regarding the specifics on Match bonuses (for new players or otherwise);
I've been taking advantage of 50-100% match bonuses that require a reasonable rollover, however I've noticed that in order to potentially play with a +EV, the following conditions maybe even MORE IMPORTANT than the %match or rollover (especially if the bonus only applies to slot machines);
1) If your using a bonus that is renewable but you've lost all of your deposit, make sure you do not need to continue meeting the wager requirments of that previous bonus if you decide to take advantage of the bonus again with another deposit.
2) Make sure your allowed to wager with your bonus money right away (i.e don't need to meet your wager requirments before you can use it).
3) Make sure there is no maximum on how much your allowed to bet while your working on your bonus. Some sites won't allow you to wager more than 10$ if your currently working through your rollover requirments.
Bodog / Bovada has bonuses that meet all three of these conditions (WEEKLYGAMES and WEEKLYSLOTS), so it's theoretically easier to gamble there with a +EV.........Most sites don't allow all three of these and I've noticed its nearly impossible to come out ahead in situations where the bonus applies to slots only.
My questions are these;
-What other online sites satisfy these conditions?
-Is there anything else I should look for in the "fine-print" before accepting a bonus?
Thanks
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Quoting the famous line from the "Forest Gump" movie, RUN....JAMIX....RUN.
About 6 years ago Cool Cat casino sent me an email with $100 free no deposit bonus. I turned that into about 6k after winning a jackpot on a slot. The requirement was 30x through. I did 60x through just to make sure. When I cashed out my account was locked and they refused to pay.
Quote: GWAE
About 6 years ago Cool Cat casino sent me an email with $100 free no deposit bonus. I turned that into about 6k after winning a jackpot on a slot. The requirement was 30x through. I did 60x through just to make sure. When I cashed out my account was locked and they refused to pay.
Cool Cat casino is part of the Virtual Group better known for being the all time king of rogue casinos. Over at the Casinomeister forum he is giving them a chance to clean up their act and get out of the rogue pit. All old rogue cases like the one you said that happened to you should be brought forward and will be squared away to prove their new attitude towards being honest after being the biggest crooks for 15 years ever to exist on the internet. They didn't need cheating software, they just screwed everyone by not paying.
I certainly would sign up there if I were you and post your complaint. Apparently, their is a rep participating in the thread waiting to make good on old claims.
Read through this thread there, and contact the rep. Should be able to recover your loss. Good luck...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/59668-virtual-casino-group-ace-revenue.html#post588288
Quote: 4ofaKindBased on your comments above, you sound relatively new to online gaming.
Quoting the famous line from the "Forest Gump" movie, RUN....JAMIX....RUN.
Yes I am new. I signed up on Bodog just last week and haven't played very much before that (except poker).
If the casino isn't rigged, it shouldn't be too hard to obtain a significant edge. For example, deposit 50$ using a 100% match bonus (that has a x40 rollover lets say). You'll now have 100$ and if you put this money down on a single number on the European Roullete wheel and win.........you'll now have 3600$. This will only happen one out of every 37 tries, however when it lands, you'll increase your deposit 72-fold which makes this an +EV. You'll still need to wager 4000$ (2500$ if your playing slots), which should cost you very little if you stick to Video Poker games!
Personally.........I've lost nearly 1K thus far playing mostly Double Jackpot Poker on Bodog so maybe the casino sites are aware of these strategies and have taken measures to rig the game (or I'm just unlucky :( ).
Quote: 4ofaKind
I certainly would sign up there if I were you and post your complaint. Apparently, their is a rep participating in the thread waiting to make good on old claims.
Read through this thread there, and contact the rep. Should be able to recover your loss. Good luck...http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/59668-virtual-casino-group-ace-revenue.html#post588288
Oh, that's nice. They clean up their act now and pay anyone who makes a claim, which is going to represent only a portion of the players they screwed over.
With all due respect, I'm not going to read forty pages of a thread at some on-line casino puppet message board (opinion I formed after their dealings with that 4% House Edge game that was advertised as 0% HE, forget the casino, big one) so perhaps you can enlighten me. Are CoolCat and all associated casinos requiring that the players to whom they are indebted contact them, or are they proactively making an effort to contact them? It could be assumed, if they are able to verify the amounts for which they are indebted to these players, that they should also have a database of player contact information and can attempt contact with each individual player.
Get a good reputation back, and then commence to rip off new and returning players for even more than they returned to already ripped-off players in the first place = profit, seems like a pretty simple system to me.
Quote: GWAEthe day of bonus whoring is over. In 2000-2004 a lot of us made a bunch of money. Now most of the online casinos will find reasons not to pay you.
Seriously? Does this include Bodog / Bovada?
Quote: JamixSeriously? Does this include Bodog / Bovada?
No. You'll notice that they don't offer ridiculously high No-Deposit Bonuses or 500% of your deposit or anything so obviously ridiculous that they would have to screw you to survive. The only thing offered by Bovada is a good gamble and conservative, but still generous, perks; but you will be treated fairly and paid. If you signed up through this or the Wizardofodds.com site, Wizard will aide you in any legitimate disputes you have with Bovada and Bovada is the only on-line casino recommended/advertised either here or WoO.
Quote: GWAEthe day of bonus whoring is over. In 2000-2004 a lot of us made a bunch of money. Now most of the online casinos will find reasons not to pay you.
About 6 years ago Cool Cat casino sent me an email with $100 free no deposit bonus. I turned that into about 6k after winning a jackpot on a slot. The requirement was 30x through. I did 60x through just to make sure. When I cashed out my account was locked and they refused to pay.
Ick, I actually went ahead and read through the last few pages of that thread. It seems that, according to that Tawni rep person, they should get in touch with you regarding this issue, have they yet? If not, here are her E-Mail addresses posted over there:
Quote:tawniatgwages.com for issues relating to the Virtual brands or tawniatacerevenue.com
I hope you get your 6K that they almost undoubtedly don't have to begin with, maybe you'll get whatever they made you deposit to allegedly get the 6K back.
There's a good revenue management technique. The losers just lose and you pay the winners, not the amount they won, but the amount they deposited years later, rinse, repeat.
Quote: Mission146Oh, that's nice. They clean up their act now and pay anyone who makes a claim, which is going to represent only a portion of the players they screwed over.
With all due respect, I'm not going to read forty pages of a thread at some on-line casino puppet message board (opinion I formed after their dealings with that 4% House Edge game that was advertised as 0% HE, forget the casino, big one) so perhaps you can enlighten me. Are CoolCat and all associated casinos requiring that the players to whom they are indebted contact them, or are they proactively making an effort to contact them? It could be assumed, if they are able to verify the amounts for which they are indebted to these players, that they should also have a database of player contact information and can attempt contact with each individual player.
Get a good reputation back, and then commence to rip off new and returning players for even more than they returned to already ripped-off players in the first place = profit, seems like a pretty simple system to me.
Everything you said is accurate. No doubt they have data base on previous ripped off players. Last time they did this players were getting paid from many years ago, and I'm certain they didn't make any payments without confirming the rip off. I think this is the 3rd time they are willing to clean their act up and only paid the people from previous rip-offs that made a claim. Soon after they end up back in the rogue pit.
Personally I think that forum and the casino group are now in collusion. Makes no sense why anyone would even consider giving this group another shot. Money is all that matters, especially now that the future looks bleak with the USA on the rise.
Regardless of all the nonsense taking place there, it's a good opportunity for GWAE to collect his 6K. Last time this happened I saw players getting paid from 8 years ago that made a claim.
Quote: JamixPersonally.........I've lost nearly 1K thus far playing mostly Double Jackpot Poker on Bodog so maybe the casino sites are aware of these strategies and have taken measures to rig the game (or I'm just unlucky :( ).
You would need to invest and document a couple of hundred thousand hands before you would even have a chance to prove a rigged game. Of course we've seen proof with much less get exposed, but that's usually the result of a stupid greedy programmer trying to expedite profits. A smart programmer would make certain that your -EV diagnosis doesn't fall to far below what's expected resulting in a un-conclusive outcome. Subtle is the word I believe programmers like to use.
If I were you, I would just wait for the USA if you want to play online. At least there would be a chance of regulations making certain your getting a fair game.
Quote: Mission146No. You'll notice that they don't offer ridiculously high No-Deposit Bonuses or 500% of your deposit or anything so obviously ridiculous that they would have to screw you to survive. The only thing offered by Bovada is a good gamble and conservative, but still generous, perks; but you will be treated fairly and paid. If you signed up through this or the Wizardofodds.com site, Wizard will aide you in any legitimate disputes you have with Bovada and Bovada is the only on-line casino recommended/advertised either here or WoO.
Unfortunately I didn't sign up through you site. I'm on this forum semi-often and the Wizardofodds.com site has become my main resource for studying up various games. In fact I don't know where I'd get my info if it wasn't for you guys!
Nevertheless, although there aren't any crazy 500% sign-up bonues, the bonuses they do offer are frequent, reusable, and don't even require you to finish your wager requirments in the event your balance goes to zero and you decide to make ANOTHER bonus deposit. When you add in the fact that some games have < 0.5% house edge (video poker) which can be used to complete wager requirments, it makes one wonder why you don't hear stories of a Bob Dancer or Jean Scott wannabe making a living off of it??? There has got to be a catch? Either that or the people profiting from it are all keeping it to themselves secret (bullshit!).
Quote: 4ofaKind
Personally I think that forum and the casino group are now in collusion. Makes no sense why anyone would even consider giving this group another shot. Money is all that matters, especially now that the future looks bleak with the USA on the rise.
Regardless of all the nonsense taking place there, it's a good opportunity for GWAE to collect his 6K. Last time this happened I saw players getting paid from 8 years ago that made a claim.
To your first statement, it also appeared that Casinomeister was originally going to take them out of the rogue pit after thirty days of no complaints and in a non-democratic fashion. Now, whoever the owner(s) of that forum is can do whatever they want, but thirty days would have been a bit ridiculous. It looks like that Forum only changed it to a vote and six months to assuage those long-time Members who pushed back against this. I wouldn't trust any Democratic process over there after what I have seen go on, probably plenty of socks in the Forum's pocket, in case they need them, the vote will go whatever way the Forum wants the vote to go, so they might as well just do whatever they want, anyway.
We'll see what happens, I would be shocked if they pay him 6k, but if he deposited anything to collect the money and got stiffed, perhaps he'll get that back.
Quote: Jamix
Nevertheless, although there aren't any crazy 500% sign-up bonues, the bonuses they do offer are frequent, reusable, and don't even require you to finish your wager requirments in the event your balance goes to zero and you decide to make ANOTHER bonus deposit. When you add in the fact that some games have < 0.5% house edge (video poker) which can be used to complete wager requirments, it makes one wonder why you don't hear stories of a Bob Dancer or Jean Scott wannabe making a living off of it??? There has got to be a catch? Either that or the people profiting from it are all keeping it to themselves secret (bullshit!).
I don't think, the only catch is they win more than they lose, like most other casinos. Other people play different games and supplement the bonuses and the less than 0.5% House Edge games. Poker has a rake. Sportsbook has a vig. They make their money legitimately.
They've tweaked some stuff recently, there used to be some 100%+ games on there, just on base pays, and I think they got rid of it, so Bovada has shown that they'll tighten up when necessary.
Quote: Mission146the vote will go whatever way the Forum wants the vote to go, so they might as well just do whatever they want, anyway.
It's not the votes that count; it's who counts the votes!
